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I used to read in bed every night. Kept me up late if it was a good story. I read ebooks or Lemmy or even watch some videos in bed now. I generally find myself going to sleep at a decent time. Having a phone seems to not really have affected me and I still get adequate sleep.
However, I’ve spoken with people that have sensed one stray photon leaking around a curtain and they can’t sleep.
Just hits people differently, I guess.
Same here! Kindle or my phone never bothered me getting to sleep
Oh I believe Science when it says stuff like that.
I’m not saying I’ll do what they tell me to, but I believe them.
First thing I see having opened lemmy in bed. Good call. See you later folks!
I read about this as part of my work. I’ve found that it’s more to do with the intensity and closeness of the screen relative to your eyes, i.e. the amount of brightness that reaches your eyes. Even bright red light can keep you awake for a bit longer.
It’s also got more to do with your quality of sleep rather than whether or not you get to sleep.
The joke is one science, I’ve never had a good rhythm to begin with! Insomniac my whole life, and we didn’t have smartphones when I was young (I’m old).
Ya mean on not one science right?
Sorry for being that dick, but it’d irritate me in your position not being let know.
Working 3rd shift has cultivated my circadian arrhythmia so I can sleep whenever I want unless I need to.
Is this why my entire life is dissolving into bullshit and I’m failing to function on a daily basis?
People that are happy and energetic all the time: It’s easy! Just eat healthy, exercise, and get plenty of sleep.
Me: No.
oh i absolutely believe science! will i do anything about it? noa
I believe in science. I believe that the study show that (because I haven’t read them). I believe that I will continue using my phone because even with good efforts my body is still killing itself happily.
So, fuck you body. Dopamine rectangle goes brrrrrr.
Haha so true
But just to be clear, I believe it.
I just don’t do it.
Science isn’t the boss of me. Just my body, mind, and pretty much everything else.
reactance theory informs us that whenever a person tells us what to do and how to do it, we respond with defensive defiance because we want to maximize our personal freedom and decision-making.
Just cos I know it’s good advice doesn’t make me want to do it, and if I don’t want to do it, I can’t, that’s just science.
I woke up, opened Lemmy, and this was the first post I saw lmao
Same, is this a sign?
No one’s gonna drag you up, to get into the light where you belong.
Wasn’t it confirmed recently to be total nonsense and nothing to do with circadian rhythms? Compared to the sun a phone puts out very little light and the circadian rhythm only respond to slow changes in light, not on and off in a short time.
It’s more about your phone keeping your mind active instead of relaxing and going to sleep. But if you already can’t sleep because your mind is churning on something, a bit of distraction might actually help. It’s very personal and not a clear cut rule on who has trouble sleeping from phone use or when to put down the phone.
So it isn’t like using your phone before sleeping will never have an effect on how well you get to sleep. But it has nothing to do with blue light or circadian rhythms.
I think what was proven wrong was the significance of the color of light. The original study had people using iPads at like maximum brightness.
For context, what generation of iPad? The difference in the maximum screen brightness of a 1st gen iPad and a current gen iPad is nearly tenfold
The migraine afterwards would probably keep me awake, too.
Probably also varies depending on the type of content people are checking while on their phone. I can stay awake forever playing Balatro while reading usually knocks me out real quick.
Just one more run…
The whole “blue light” thing is the new “wifi is going to give you cancer”.
tbh almost every time I see a system settings panel or a program that lets you reduce blue light on a schedule, it’s always accompanied with a description that sounds like “reducing blue light may help you sleep better”. I don’t think there are many people touting it as some sort of scientific neurological thing, it’s just that many users have a personal preference for reduced blue light at nighttime, and the developers want to accommodate that preference. Not everything has to be backed up by scientific research, sometimes people just like things.
Couldn’t find the study confirming this. Can you link to it, please?
I think there are multiple, I read an article recently where it was stated by an expert. But checking back now they don’t link any sources except the name of the expert, which seems to be a respected expert in the field, but that means nothing in the end.
This is one of the papers I could find within 2 mins, but I think there have been multiple papers on this.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-023-01791-7
There has also been a lot of criticism on the original study that said blue light from phones was the issue, so there are probably a lot of response papers to be found about that.
Some years ago I started reading in bed before going to sleep. Pretty much always, I’m reading a book on my tablet. Now I find that the habit/routine of it helps me go to sleep.
The exception is when the book is so engrossing that I have a hard time putting it down and end up staying awake longer than I should.
The best thing I found to help me sleep well was getting my adhd diagnosis and meds. It’s so much easier to sleep when the voices in your head shut the fuck up
Hmm, interesting. Somewhat compelling, but:
- it’s a rather small (n=38) Chinese pilot study
- the effect on the sleep latency is sizable (a latency decrease from 31±14 to 18±12 minutes, effect size of 0.85), but there’s no effect on actual sleep duration.
- the sleep measurements were subjective (sleep diaries, not actigraphy)
I’m also a bit concerned why it’s the only study with this methodology in this later meta-analysis - all of the other “behavioral intervention” studies in it experiment with stuff like “extended time-in-bed”. In other words, there seems to not have been any followup or replication of this study.
We must stop this science on science violence.
-> You mean peer review?
Lol, don’t the publications farm that out and review none of it?
-> We must stop this science on science violence!
I think that’s just the corrupting influence of money and power.
-> We use good methodology to show methodology has been systemically compromised.
[citation needed]
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