I have had my share of struggles and hardship, definitely not the worst anyone’s had it, but enough to empathize I think. I lived in a camper for 5 years, was lucky to have that tbh. Shit jobs, shit pay, no respect. I live in the boonies so I work with all these guys. I’m a white straight guy too, so I pass, and I get to sit with them while they share their terrible opinions.
I guess what I mean to say is that somehow the exact experiences that are turning these man children into hateful far right weirdos have happened to me. Somehow I went hard to the left instead. I wasn’t a “radical” before I moved out here, it’s a response to the last 10 years mostly. Was it because I was raised differently? Probably, my mother is one of the most compassionate people I’ve known, and selfishness was ‘punished’ when I was young. Was it the psychedelics? Also probably. There are lots of other experiences that I know most of these guys haven’t had that helped me be a better person, travel, volunteer work I had to do, I’m sure I am forgetting a lot. But what helps me understand also makes it more difficult to excuse. A lot of these guys have had every opportunity I have, some a lot more. It’s difficult to listen to somebody that has had a chance at promotion complain about their pay, for an analogy that comes from reality. When I also know so many other groups of people are flat denied that opportunity. They don’t have solidarity because they are selfish. I think that’s what it boils down to.
What I’m gleaning from the worst of the posters I’ve seen and responded to on here, it’s not even the hardship so much as low self esteem from making comparisons about the hardship they are feeling and getting most hung up on.
Every one of them get hung up on their perspective someone else’s thoughts about them. It’s always about someone else who ‘hates them’. And they cannot overcome it.
they aren’t seeing this as a self esteem problem but a problem with the world for not gifting them what they are missing from themself. Self acceptance. And living in that resentment and taking it out on everyone around them. You can see it in how their first go-to is ‘to tell the left to fuck off’ as being their entire reason for going right. They don’t even lead with what they are getting on the right unless you dig more than one conversation from it. So that tells you right there how little they are willing to work on themself when you have to basically pull teeth to get it out of them that there’s supposedly any depth in their decisions to go right.
this isn’t growth. This isn’t the trait of a survivor. This is not someone who is getting their needs met. This is victimhood mentality. You see this kind of rhetoric in full blown addicts who won’t seek therapy to stop their carousel of self destruction.
These incels are their own worst enemy. Not the world. Themselves.
I’m going to guess that you are speaking well about your mother as she’s helped you gain some good tools to see your self worth and regardless of what possible mean thing another person might even say to you: that’s a reflection of themselves. Not you.
And you said it yourself: others have had it as bad or worse than you. And you can recognize this.
you’re not alone in your struggle. No one is really. In group therapies you especially see this as each person tells their story : it’s the same thing for every listener (who is working on the self) that regardless of where they come from’ , we’re all struggling. And we’re not here to compare ourselves to others.
Looking at your situation as well as any survivors of hardship: they understand that they have to make a decision every day to commit to surviving. It isn’t something given, it’s something you do for you with intention.
I’ve not yet heard anything yet that at the right are actually offering them that helps them deal with this problem. There are no tools. All there is only anger and spite towards the left and a healthy side of a ‘poor me’ attitude.
did it ever occur to you other people aren’t you? that maybe other people’s issues aren’t your issues, or that it’s not about you and your struggles?
all you are saying is ‘i had bad expereinces and i turned out this sway, therefore anyone who turned out different is wrong and bad’ your post is one long circle jerk about how great you are for being a leftist and if others had bad experiences and aren’t leftists they shitty people.
and self aggrandizing yourself only to shame others is precisely the fucking problem. ‘be like me or fuck you’ isn’t how you win people over to your side.
Your comment is the most helpul unhelpful reply I’ve ever seen. The fact that you took their pondering as a clan challenge says way more about you than anything else. Now, whether you realize how insecure you are and how your reaction proves it… well I won’t hold my breath on that one.
I’m not a part of any clan dude. They objective said anyone who isn’t like them is ‘selfish’ while pontificating about how glorious their suffering was because it lead to their leftist. They are treating their politics as if it’s religion.
weird how all my right wing family are the least selfish people i know… and weird how most of my leftist friends are often self absorbed jerks who think of nobody but themselves.
lol @ “least selfish right wing family” who actively supports one way tickets to el salvador for brown people. You’re right… sounds more like a klan than a clan. My mistake.
Did it ever occur to you that the other way is objectively corrupt and immoral? It’s not even unspoken immorality anymore. It’s just plain old comic book levels of evil. We just blew up another fishing boat, because they’re brown. It is pure unabashed racist villainous behavior.
I have had my share of struggles and hardship, definitely not the worst anyone’s had it, but enough to empathize I think. I lived in a camper for 5 years, was lucky to have that tbh. Shit jobs, shit pay, no respect. I live in the boonies so I work with all these guys. I’m a white straight guy too, so I pass, and I get to sit with them while they share their terrible opinions.
I guess what I mean to say is that somehow the exact experiences that are turning these man children into hateful far right weirdos have happened to me. Somehow I went hard to the left instead. I wasn’t a “radical” before I moved out here, it’s a response to the last 10 years mostly. Was it because I was raised differently? Probably, my mother is one of the most compassionate people I’ve known, and selfishness was ‘punished’ when I was young. Was it the psychedelics? Also probably. There are lots of other experiences that I know most of these guys haven’t had that helped me be a better person, travel, volunteer work I had to do, I’m sure I am forgetting a lot. But what helps me understand also makes it more difficult to excuse. A lot of these guys have had every opportunity I have, some a lot more. It’s difficult to listen to somebody that has had a chance at promotion complain about their pay, for an analogy that comes from reality. When I also know so many other groups of people are flat denied that opportunity. They don’t have solidarity because they are selfish. I think that’s what it boils down to.
Terminate Stoned Sunday ramble/
What I’m gleaning from the worst of the posters I’ve seen and responded to on here, it’s not even the hardship so much as low self esteem from making comparisons about the hardship they are feeling and getting most hung up on.
Every one of them get hung up on their perspective someone else’s thoughts about them. It’s always about someone else who ‘hates them’. And they cannot overcome it.
they aren’t seeing this as a self esteem problem but a problem with the world for not gifting them what they are missing from themself. Self acceptance. And living in that resentment and taking it out on everyone around them. You can see it in how their first go-to is ‘to tell the left to fuck off’ as being their entire reason for going right. They don’t even lead with what they are getting on the right unless you dig more than one conversation from it. So that tells you right there how little they are willing to work on themself when you have to basically pull teeth to get it out of them that there’s supposedly any depth in their decisions to go right.
this isn’t growth. This isn’t the trait of a survivor. This is not someone who is getting their needs met. This is victimhood mentality. You see this kind of rhetoric in full blown addicts who won’t seek therapy to stop their carousel of self destruction.
These incels are their own worst enemy. Not the world. Themselves.
I’m going to guess that you are speaking well about your mother as she’s helped you gain some good tools to see your self worth and regardless of what possible mean thing another person might even say to you: that’s a reflection of themselves. Not you.
And you said it yourself: others have had it as bad or worse than you. And you can recognize this.
you’re not alone in your struggle. No one is really. In group therapies you especially see this as each person tells their story : it’s the same thing for every listener (who is working on the self) that regardless of where they come from’ , we’re all struggling. And we’re not here to compare ourselves to others.
Looking at your situation as well as any survivors of hardship: they understand that they have to make a decision every day to commit to surviving. It isn’t something given, it’s something you do for you with intention.
I’ve not yet heard anything yet that at the right are actually offering them that helps them deal with this problem. There are no tools. All there is only anger and spite towards the left and a healthy side of a ‘poor me’ attitude.
Group therapy was the best thing that has ever happened to me
did it ever occur to you other people aren’t you? that maybe other people’s issues aren’t your issues, or that it’s not about you and your struggles?
all you are saying is ‘i had bad expereinces and i turned out this sway, therefore anyone who turned out different is wrong and bad’ your post is one long circle jerk about how great you are for being a leftist and if others had bad experiences and aren’t leftists they shitty people.
and self aggrandizing yourself only to shame others is precisely the fucking problem. ‘be like me or fuck you’ isn’t how you win people over to your side.
Your comment is the most helpul unhelpful reply I’ve ever seen. The fact that you took their pondering as a clan challenge says way more about you than anything else. Now, whether you realize how insecure you are and how your reaction proves it… well I won’t hold my breath on that one.
I’m not a part of any clan dude. They objective said anyone who isn’t like them is ‘selfish’ while pontificating about how glorious their suffering was because it lead to their leftist. They are treating their politics as if it’s religion.
weird how all my right wing family are the least selfish people i know… and weird how most of my leftist friends are often self absorbed jerks who think of nobody but themselves.
lol @ “least selfish right wing family” who actively supports one way tickets to el salvador for brown people. You’re right… sounds more like a klan than a clan. My mistake.
they don’t support any of that. not all conservatives are the same.
Did it ever occur to you that the other way is objectively corrupt and immoral? It’s not even unspoken immorality anymore. It’s just plain old comic book levels of evil. We just blew up another fishing boat, because they’re brown. It is pure unabashed racist villainous behavior.
So yeah. He did say that. So what?
Ewww