• Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    1 year ago

    My (unpopular?) solution is to make sure the rest of society isn’t so desperate for food that they’re willing to rob a robot.

    In an unrelated suggestion, if youre in a grocery store and see someone stealing food, no you didn’t.

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    1 year ago

    “The robots are constantly monitored and equipped with 12 cameras and two-way audio communication systems. Any improper conduct will be detected immediately. If an incident does occur with a Starship robot, one of our robot rescuers can respond quickly,” robot builder Starship Technologies says regarding robot safety, adding that acts of vandalism or theft are reported to authorities.

    While that may be true in theory, instances of actual prosecution for theft from robots in cities where they operate have not been easy to discover. As with far more widespread instances of front porch package thieves or shoplifters, despite the volume of video evidence the robots can produce the police have to actually take some investigative steps to identify and locate the suspects

    I’m glad they’ve thought this through.

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      How dare they expect cops to “take some investigative steps?” We’ll arrest the criminals when you bring them in for us, along with evidence.

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      the police have to actually take some investigative steps to identify and locate the suspects

      cops give zero fucks when crimes effect everyday citizens.

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    I’m far from a Luddite and I think robots in general are cool. But I kind of don’t have an issue with people fucking up autonomous roaming robots. I haven’t rationalized that opinion just yet, I guess. Just feels right.

    Philly did nothing wrong

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      I don’t think waving away being a Luddite just by saying so makes it so.

      I can’t think of a single angle of principled moral theory that makes this okay. Vandalizing or stealing someone else’s property they paid for. Hurting both the restaurant and the customer by depriving them of their food. Holding back progress on an invention that can reduce the need for humans to engage in a type of work that is hard, dangerous at times, and low paid.

      From a purely rational on paper view, it doesn’t look terribly different than saying vandalizing or stealing from delivery vehicles driven by people isn’t wrong. What possible justification could there be for this view besides Ludditism fuck robots?

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        groans

        I don’t think waving away being a Luddite just by saying so makes it so.

        Guess you know me better than I know myself.

        From a purely rational on paper view, it doesn’t look terribly different than saying vandalizing or stealing from delivery vehicles driven by people isn’t wrong. What possible justification could there be for this view besides Ludditism fuck robots?

        Imagine thinking humans are rational beings the debate ethics every time they have a feeling. Sometimes you just gotta fuck shit up.

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      The rational could be that those robots are taking the job of a human being and deserve to be robbed…

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        Using cars to deliver food pays very little, is dangerous (old guy with shotgun shoots your brains if you go to the wrong house), and is extremely bad for the environment. Current delivery workers could switch to a safer job with better pay and not damage the environment as much. Or we can implement UBI. Just a thought.

        Edit: I would also like to point out a robot’s electric bill for a trip is much cheaper when compared to a gas or even an electric car. Ideally, the savings would be passed along to the customer.

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          I hate this argument… Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a job that pays a livable wage?

          People aren’t dealing with the dangers of delivery because they are lazy or unmotivated, they are doing it because they need the work and it pays barely enough to meet their needs.

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            Yes, thats why we need some fucking change in the world. My argument is just saying delivery robots are not bad.

            Where the hell did I say delivery workers were lazy?

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      You okay with people fucking up vending machines and ATMs too? Why or why not?

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        Not OP, but I would like to state that I am ok with that. You pulled a human out of the loop, and that comes with risks. Business decision.

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          Ok, so if it’s not a vending machine, but a cashier and cashier gets punched by a robber it’s ok as well?

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    Here’s an idea, don’t launch these services in low trust, high crime places. In California, people can walk into a fully staffed Walgreens and commit blatant theft with no repercussions; a poor robot out in the world stands no chance.

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      There’s a lot of parallels here. One I’m not on the side of Walgreens and I’m not on the side of the robot. If it comes down to petty crime but the only victim is an insured multi-billion dollar conglomerate I’m not going to shead a tear.

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    This is actually how rights for robots will be a thing. So the proletariat knows to stay in line and never harm or try to subvert the robots made by the elite class to extract wealth