Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region
Donald Trump will back a plan to cede unoccupied Ukrainian territory to Russia to secure an end to the war between the two countries, it was reported on Saturday, after details of his post-summit call with European leaders leaked out.
Trump told European leaders that he believed a peace deal could be negotiated if the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, agreed to give up the Donbas region, which Russian invaders have not been able to seize in over three years of fighting, the New York Times reported, citing to two senior European officials.
Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas, which is made up of the Donestk and Luhansk regions, as a condition for ending the war, but offered Trump a freeze along the remaining frontline.
I back ceding Donald Trump and Mar a Lago to Putin.
Go fuck yourself with an umbrella, cheeto
Zelenskyy says NO. So does EU
If it works that way, when will Trump start giving out states to the highest bidder?
He was talking so tough before he saw his pimp, now he’s got his tail between his leg and he changed his tune
European intervention is looking like the only option now. because America is a captured state. there are only bad options now. and Europe is more than a year behind reality,
they sat on their hands hoping Kamala would win, and that they’d be allowed to continue offshoring their own defense matters to America, she didnt
so they sat on their hands hoping Trump wouldn’t be who everyone thought he would be, He was exactly what everyone thought he’d be.
so they sat on their hands hoping he would change with time. He didn’t, he accelerated his agenda and threw kerosone on the world by Parroting Putin, advocating Bibi, and Bombing Iran.
So they sat on their hands hoping he’d have a change of heart. And he rolled out the red carpet for the most honored guest, VVP.
Trump is an Ally of the Russian Mafia, Article 5 is already useless in terms of America, America wont go to war with Russia even if a KAB landed in Berlin tonight. Europe ought to consider their choices ahead.
Option 1 > Stop Bleating at America, Stop insisting that America Negotiate on Ukraines behalf in a specific way, and show some fucking teeth, and prepare for war.
Option 2 > Keep bleating at America, and accept Russia controls your politics now, and probably watch as your alliance disintegrates in 3 years when a military conflict breaks out in Latvia and no one wants to go to war with Russia.
Trump is an imbecile. His grave is going to be a gender neutral bathroom for the rest of human history.
I would use that bathroom.
Every day, guillotines become more attractive.
I’ve done some superficial researches but I couldn’t find anything: does anyone know what the morale is like in the regions that voted to join the Russian federation ? I only found out recently that there was a referendum held in the regions almost immediately by Russia. Stop. I know you want to call these referendum a sham, but this isn’t the question here. Russia is going to operate as though they aren’t a sham and no one has the power to stop them at the moment, so what I’m asking is “what is going on in these regions”.
I can’t find the article I initially found on the matter, but apparently civilian areas were being shelled by Ukraine during the vote period.
I’m not sure why Kyiv is so obsessed with fighting to reclaim regions that were ethnic russians and that seems like they don’t even want to be part of Ukraine.
Why do you think that referendum being a sham doesn’t matter and then use it as justification for Russia’s illegal annexation of Ukrainian territory.
Like I already said: Russia will act as though they aren’t a sham.
Unless you tell me you can stop Russia from doing what it pleases, it doesn’t matter that the west cry foul.
Why are YOU not asking what is going on in these regions? What if the referendums weren’t scam and most of the ex-Ukrainians are actually happy? This isn’t my assertion, I genuinely don’t know what is going on there, hence me asking what the morale is over there.
Like I already said: Russia will act as though they aren’t a sham.
That’s not all you said, is it? You ALSO said that Ukrainians voted in a referendum to join Russia. Right here and this IS your assertion:
I’m not sure why Kyiv is so obsessed with fighting to reclaim regions that were ethnic russians and that seems like they don’t even want to be part of Ukraine.
I don’t give a shit what Russia thinks, they’re wrong. You’re defending Russia by using the referendum, conveniently, you don’t want to talk about the referendum’s legitimacy.
I’m asking questions, why are you getting so emotional and upset?
If you are correct, then just share sources showing that there’s a massive resistance movement in the area that voted for a referendum and that Russia barely gains anything from being there. Ukrainians are praised for their guerilla warfare, how come Russia can hold on to so many regions?
An incredible amoutn of the population from Donetsk and Lugansk is already dead.
I get why you would bring this up, but this is not an helpful intervention in the conversation. “Incredible” doesn’t mean anything objective, and Ukraine factually killed multiple separatists before 2021, there’s no way for me to know whether you’re blaming Russia or Ukraine. So please be more specific, ideally with a source because otherwise this isn’t adding anything to the conversation.
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What misinformation? Are you saying there was no referendum? Or that those regions aren’t mostly populated with ethnic Russians? Or that Kyiv doesn’t want to retake those regions?
A referendum conducted by Russia isn’t trustworthy.
Nobody at any point claimed it was trustworthy, only that it was held.
Kinperor is asking if you or anyone else has any better data on how the people living in the former Ukraine territories feel.
This shouldn’t be too much of an ask given how low the confidence is the Russian-held referendum and how certain yall seem to be that predominantly ethnically Russian people in those areas are yearning for Ukrainian freedom.
Personally, I would be quite surprised if the people who have been oppressed and bombed both sides have anything but disdain for either.
So Russia is untrustworthy, ergo we should not engage with them or take their words?
Then why is the west engaging with a country too corrupt to join NATO (Ukraine)? Where are our standards for this specific country?
What the hell do you expect when two criminals meet. Fuck Vlad and and his orange sock puppet. The EU and Ukraine already know they will have to contain the Russians without the MAGAt fuckers.
I like how you call him a sock puppet. It’s a perfect analogy since his other use is to be Putin’s cum sock.
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who the fuck does he think he is to “negotiate” ceding someone else’s territory? (I’m not expecting any answers, the oompa loompa simply defies all logic)
something something, Alpha country, Beta country, Having cards, not having cards.
In all seriousness. these are people who have been parroting the same Kremlin lies that were confidentley asserting that Ukraine was already defeated like 1 month in and that everything after that was just prolonged suffering. These people are either Cowards, or Complicit. or both.
To be fair, appeasement worked quite well in the 1930s…
He who drinks with the enemy while his ally bleeds is no hero but a fool. You grant him honor while he seeks to burn your and your ally’s home. No word of peace holds meaning while his sword is still raised against those who stand with you.
Install troops in Ukraine and show Putin already god damn it. That makes putin mad? Good that will make EU more unified. And its not like putin is gonna drop nuclear bombs cause thats suicide :) So bring him to his knees.
It’s comically and frustratingly obvious that his “ideas” are simply “whatever the last guy he talked to said”
That’s the dementia. At this point he is increasingly acting senile.
Yup. If you had Trump’s ear for a few minutes, he is incredibly easy to manipulate.
Yup, upcoming summit with Zelenskyy and the EU, and his tone will change after that.
No, Trumps team will insist on going forward with the deal they arranged with Vlad. Europe (which includes Ukraine) will say fuck that, and team Trump will then use it as political ammo to justifiy more tarriffs and more energy into the Asia pivot. IE they will say they’re pulling out and leaving Russia to have its fun.
When trump met with Zelenskyy in the Vatican he changed his tune real quick. I guess we will see how it goes.
