Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region
Donald Trump will back a plan to cede unoccupied Ukrainian territory to Russia to secure an end to the war between the two countries, it was reported on Saturday, after details of his post-summit call with European leaders leaked out.
Trump told European leaders that he believed a peace deal could be negotiated if the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, agreed to give up the Donbas region, which Russian invaders have not been able to seize in over three years of fighting, the New York Times reported, citing to two senior European officials.
Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas, which is made up of the Donestk and Luhansk regions, as a condition for ending the war, but offered Trump a freeze along the remaining frontline.
Every day, guillotines become more attractive.
Trump is an imbecile. His grave is going to be a gender neutral bathroom for the rest of human history.
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What the hell do you expect when two criminals meet. Fuck Vlad and and his orange sock puppet. The EU and Ukraine already know they will have to contain the Russians without the MAGAt fuckers.
I like how you call him a sock puppet. It’s a perfect analogy since his other use is to be Putin’s cum sock.
To be fair, appeasement worked quite well in the 1930s…
who the fuck does he think he is to “negotiate” ceding someone else’s territory? (I’m not expecting any answers, the oompa loompa simply defies all logic)
He who drinks with the enemy while his ally bleeds is no hero but a fool. You grant him honor while he seeks to burn your and your ally’s home. No word of peace holds meaning while his sword is still raised against those who stand with you.
Install troops in Ukraine and show Putin already god damn it. That makes putin mad? Good that will make EU more unified. And its not like putin is gonna drop nuclear bombs cause thats suicide :) So bring him to his knees.
It’s comically and frustratingly obvious that his “ideas” are simply “whatever the last guy he talked to said”
That’s the dementia. At this point he is increasingly acting senile.
Yup. If you had Trump’s ear for a few minutes, he is incredibly easy to manipulate.
Yup, upcoming summit with Zelenskyy and the EU, and his tone will change after that.
Okay, well, the last time I made this joke it came true, so I’m going to throw some salt over my shoulder after I say it, but how about instead of that, we just give Russia about 20,000 square miles of Alaska. We can start with the entirety of the Aleutian Island chain (about 6,800 sq. miles), and then work out some chunk of the mainland for the rest. That seems reasonable.
And if that does come true, then by God I’m going to go out and buy a lottery ticket.
If that comes true, I’ll also buy a lottery ticket, for the first time in my life, after 32 years of never gambling (despite having lived in Nevada for 30 years).
This’ll be the second time they’ve taken territory from Ukraine and gotten away with it. They’ll probably take Belarus once that dictator dies, and they’ll eventually take Moldova since they already control part of it. They’ll keep trying to take all of Ukraine until it happens.
And don’t forget Georgia.
Doesn’t much matter, Zelensky has already said that’s a non-starter and their constitution forbids it anyway.
Got a translated source? That’d be a really interesting constitution
In rejecting Mr. Trump’s proposal, Mr. Zelensky invoked Ukraine’s Constitution, which states that the Ukrainian territory is indivisible and inviolable. “The answer to Ukraine’s territorial question is already in the Constitution of Ukraine,” Mr. Zelensky said. “No one will step back from this, nor will anyone be able to.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/09/world/europe/zelensky-trump-ukraine-russia.html
Constitution doesn’t matter much when your invader is stronger than you
stronger than you
lmao, 3 years and the great superpower once thought equal to the United States can’t win the war they started. Give me a break.
USA was stronger than Vietnam and they still lost. USSR was stronger than Afghanistan and they still lost.
Clearly strength isn’t everything. Russia just needs to relearn this lesson they forgot - a determined foe can’t be beaten with brute strength alone.
Luckily then that in this case the invader looks weaker. Only thing they seem to be able to do is parrot ”but muh nukes” in all negotiations. If China would drop their support, Russia would be toast. It’s the only thing keeping this conflict alive.
Next Putin will claim Alaska used to be Russian, and should be handed back.
And trump would give it to him after some fake posturing.
There’s some nutjobs in the Duma who have already said that. Though this should be taken the same way as when some nutjob in the US House says something. Probably nothing will come of it, but occasionally, it does.
Actually, Lenin invented the United States in the first place, so their entire country is historically part of Russia /s
So I think I missed something? Why is Trump thinking he has a say in this?
He’s a self important blowhard with delusons of adaquacy. That’s really all there is to it.
Since if Ukraine don’t listen, US will cut off military aid.
Which unfortunately, Ukraine need since no one else can provide the numbers and TACO would likely even block EU and AU from buying US weapons if they were intended for Ukraine.
Meanwhile he’s giving away Alaska to Putin.
It was obvious three days ago, but it’s painfully obvious now why Trump has initiated quasi martial law in DC.
If he actually gave Alaska to Russia, the Republican majority in the Senate would be down to one seat. The House is a little harder to quantify, because Alaska has one seat that would be reaportioned somewhere, but it wouldn’t help their thin House majority much, either.
Also, I’m pretty sure Alaska would say fuck you, we’re an independent nation now. Russia could do fuck all about it. Their military is already at the breaking point, they don’t have a lot of capacity to land equipment across the sea, Alaska has a very well armed population, and the geography is ideal for insurgent tactics.
would he really refuse to sell something?!
Well, he’s a bitch, so yeah if his boss tells him so he’s too little of a man to stick up to him.
Because the usa is still the major military power and he is the president now.
They aren’t a major military power in Ukraine though.
They are a major backer though I think
One angle of analysis is, that this war is a proxy war between the world‘s hegemon and a state that does not want to be subjugated to their rule, but rather insists on their own sovereignty.
The power balance in the world tipped in the (now) hegemons favor with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Since then the US further increased the pressure on the remnants of the old world power, Russia, through their military alliances they have with other, subjugated, western states.
The US works to stay the only power in the whole world, which is right now a so-called unipolar world, but lots of other countries aim for a multipolar world, because they don‘t want to suffer under the heavy boot of the US. Some might even strive to do things differently, but if they try, the bully of the world comes knocking.
The Ukraine, which also wants sovereignty, only has a marginal voice in all of this.
The Ukraine
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What’s up, smelling some conspiracy? OMG, you might just be on to something!
Or, go figure, my native language could just use definitive articles for what is just „Ukraine“ in the English language and I just made a grammatical mistake, which has nothing to do with the content of what has been said. How about you engage with that instead.
“The Ukraine” specifically referred to the Ukraine region of the USSR. Since it gained independence its just been “Ukraine.” Typically anyone calling it “The Ukraine” is either misinformed or some flavor of Russian nationalist.
And you forgot the part where russian imperialism is basically working as a recruitment drive for NATO. If you want to call Ukraine a proxy war, sure, but who the fuck started it?
That doesn’t explain why Russia is invading an adjacent sovereign state. Ukraine “wants sovereignty” because it already has it and doesn’t want it taken away.
It‘s nice that you want that kind of explanation, but that‘s not what I offered. You can argue strawmen all day, but your question wasn‘t asked.
What I’m saying is, that what Ukraine wants is just wholly irrelevant, as two nuclear powers have to figure out some stuff between themselves.
“Has” is a bit strong at the start of the war (2014). The revolution of dignity built actual sovereignty by slowly ousting the puppeteers. At the start of the major conflict (2022), the Ukrainian identity was only a fraction of how strong it is now.
In the end, there is perhaps some conspirational truth to what he said. Heavy hints that Russia invaded exactly after Maidan (2014), “separatists super unhappy with less ties with Russia and revolted too”, in the same week, is the weakest shit I have ever seen. Happy for 25 years, suddenly revolted. And Russia brought a whole occupational army to help the poor peacefully seceding citizens. Doesnt take a genius to see it’s just an already planned out show of force, “You don’t suckle on great big Russia’s teet, so we can slowly eat you? Then I will take your lands”
It ain’t his tho?
This is like selling someone else’s car to a third party.
Yeah, but he wouldn’t be the rapist that he is if he understood no means no.
But the car repairs has been paid for by US
If by US you mean Europe then yes.
Without any guarantees for peace, like joining NATO, any peace agreement isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. Putin will demand such things won’t happen and Trump will immediately agree.
Indeed, Ukraine had an agreement for giving back nuclear weapons…
