I said imagine your argument being that because a service does sales all the time and consumer relations better than almost all the competition available in the industry that that’s a bad thing because people spend money on said sales.
Its a bit of a shit argument.
“They have so many sales all the time that they force people into spending money they shouldn’t spend! And that’s bad!!”
Also, all those devs are free to use any other platform that doesn’t take 30%.
Remind me again how much PlayStation and Xbox take? Oh yeah, 30% huh.
Btw, PlayStation and Xbox provide whole console system, Apple store and Google play are also 30% and they provide iOS and Android. It’s not same as Valve.
Me saying “imagine arguing” is the same same as saying “your argument is stupid because” and that is not the same as saying not to argue.
I said imagine arguing the points they argued because they are silly. Lots of storefronts have sales shit epic even gives shit away for free every week and gives 20% back in points when you buy a game fron them but you don’t hear anyone talking about how they “create FOMO” by not participating in their storefront.
Its a dumb argument. That is what “imagine arguing” means in that context. Hope that helps.
And yeah they make the console that you have to pay a fee to use internet on. Valve doesn’t do that. If you stop paying their exorbitant fees to use the internet you pay for already to play their games online then you lose half the functionality of your game that you bought. (For multiplayer ones of course).
Valve also makes systems but yes it isn’t quite the same as how PS and Xbox do it I understand what you are saying. However, everyone acts like Steam is greedy dickheads for charging the exact same rate other platforms charge without also charging you some dumb online play fee which is the real greedy fuckery. Despite them having more users than PlayStation and Xbox combined.
I think its funny that no one calls out the other companies greedy fuckery though. Just the one that is the nicest to their consumers (being steam)
You’re still defending Steam’s 30% fee for no good reason besides cherry-picking failed competitors.
Also if you think “sale is good” and “Steam is customer friendly” (I think so too), why are you so mad when I talked about Steam’s 30% fee? I just said 30% is too high for just a game launcher. Fee acts like tariff, if Steam lowers fee little bit, game price will go down too. Which is super customer friendly. Don’t you like it?
Look, I don’t care how much you fangirling Steam, but it certainly doesn’t help Steam any better.
You mean all of them? PlayStation, Xbox, and GOG literally the only two that don’t do this is Itch.io and Epic and Epic games store hasn’t been profitable since it came out in 2018. And Itch is pretty much indie games only. Please name one other competitor that sells AAA titles that doesn’t do that besides epic which again hasn’t been profitable as a game store since 2018. They supplement it all with that fortnite money.
You want steam to be the only one that has AAA titles for sale that doesn’t take the same percentage cut every single other one takes?
Not fangirling either I’m pointing out that your hate is completely unwarranted. You should hate the gaming industry as a whole if you hate the pricing model it has set up.
The reason people put their games on PlayStation, Xbox, GOG and Steam is because that’s where all the players are. They could easily only sell it on Epic and not sell well if they wanted to do that. (The fee being so low on Epic is why they don’t make money BTW give it a search online)
These developers could even set up their own payment processing system and sell it directly on their own website which would take about, oh look at that 20 - 30% of profits without any of the exposure PS, Xbox, GOG, and Steam gives you. I wonder why they don’t do that if its such a bad deal for them? (Payment processing fees, bank fees, website hosting fees - add it all up you’re not talking about some random checking account you’re talking about an account moving millions of dollars through it)
You know Xbox and PlayStation could also stop charging you for the internet you already pay for and that would be super consumer friendly too. Also could not take 30% “Don’t you like it?” GOG could do it too. What’s stopping them?
Also no, I’m “mad” because you willfully misunderstood what I said earlier and said I was saying not to argue which is not what I said. But ok, let’s argue about it, then. You dont seem to know what you are talking about because so far your argument is shit because every single other competitor does what you’re crying about steam doing. Except the one losing money.
Calm down bro. I don’t hate Steam. I have hundreds of games on Steam and I launch Steam every day, play some games.
Ah yes, cashing process. Steam takes 30% after transactional fees applied, you know that right? Or are you talking about web/transactional server cost? Yeah it costs some but not like that much as you mentioned. Still feels like 30% of fee is too much for just a game launcher with cashing process. I don’t care about your business models with lots of swear, without solid convincing data about 30% of fee is necessary to maintain Steam.
Also swearing too much doesn’t make you look good, I’m sorry but I felt like talking to an angry cult member.
Again you are wrong that 30% includes payment fees give it a search and educate yourself.
But yeah all those “failed competitors” I “cherry picked” charge the same amount steam does which was your original argument about why it sucks so bad. So you should be outraged at PS and Xbox charging that AND a fee to use your internet on multiplayer games.
Literally the only one that charges less hasn’t been profitable. You’re out of your element Donny.
Every single other competitor charges the same thing they do, is that enough evidence or are you going to claim every single other service is a failed competitor again? Maybe you will say that Steam should go against the rest of the industry and charge less than literally any other profitable competitor even though they have the biggest userbase out of all of them?
And if the word shit hurts your feelings you should probably know what you’re talking about and not accuse me of saying stuff I didn’t say like suggesting I said not to argue about steam which again I never said. Reading comprehension can be hard, I get it.
I’ve seen additional fees multiple times at bill screen so I misunderstood. I apologize.
Though, usually payment fees are below 5%. 30% is still too much cut. Doesn’t convince me at all.
Why should I shut up because other all competitors which I don’t care have similar fees?
I’m still not getting answer from you about lowering fees means lowering game prices, which is core of my opinion.
Why are you caring Valve’s profit margin so much? That’s Valve’s job and not customers concern.
And… why do you full trust with Valve? I mean we are just buying licenses to play … ok this will be a long tangent that I don’t want to stretch.
Are you a Valve’s employee or Gabe himself? If not, why are you so zealous? I can’t get it at all.
I never told you to shut up you are good at putting words in peoples mouths I have noticed.
And no no, I don’t trust valve all the way. The licensing can be taken at any time in my opinion they have censorship issues and they said that about not being able to pass down games when you die. I dont trust them all the way.
What bothers me is when people complain and cry about how Valve charges so much in fees when the entire gaming industry charges the exact same fee. And yet somehow PS and Xbox and GOG are always excluded from the conversation when it comes to this discussion.
You being upset at Valve doesn’t change the rest of the gaming industry. Also no, not charging the fees isn’t going to lower prices because just like the sales all of that is up to the publishers and developers nothing is stopping them from charging 30% extra to cover the fees and again they could absolutely host their own stuff and deal with payment processing fees, hosting fees, bank fees and all that without the exposure that every single competitor to valve gives them at the same exact price valve charges.
One of those gives you double the exposure than the other two combined though and I’ll let you guess which one that is.
Never said not to argue.
I said imagine your argument being that because a service does sales all the time and consumer relations better than almost all the competition available in the industry that that’s a bad thing because people spend money on said sales.
Its a bit of a shit argument.
“They have so many sales all the time that they force people into spending money they shouldn’t spend! And that’s bad!!”
Also, all those devs are free to use any other platform that doesn’t take 30%.
Remind me again how much PlayStation and Xbox take? Oh yeah, 30% huh.
“Never said not to argue.” Ok.
Btw, PlayStation and Xbox provide whole console system, Apple store and Google play are also 30% and they provide iOS and Android. It’s not same as Valve.
Me saying “imagine arguing” is the same same as saying “your argument is stupid because” and that is not the same as saying not to argue.
I said imagine arguing the points they argued because they are silly. Lots of storefronts have sales shit epic even gives shit away for free every week and gives 20% back in points when you buy a game fron them but you don’t hear anyone talking about how they “create FOMO” by not participating in their storefront.
Its a dumb argument. That is what “imagine arguing” means in that context. Hope that helps.
And yeah they make the console that you have to pay a fee to use internet on. Valve doesn’t do that. If you stop paying their exorbitant fees to use the internet you pay for already to play their games online then you lose half the functionality of your game that you bought. (For multiplayer ones of course).
Valve also makes systems but yes it isn’t quite the same as how PS and Xbox do it I understand what you are saying. However, everyone acts like Steam is greedy dickheads for charging the exact same rate other platforms charge without also charging you some dumb online play fee which is the real greedy fuckery. Despite them having more users than PlayStation and Xbox combined.
I think its funny that no one calls out the other companies greedy fuckery though. Just the one that is the nicest to their consumers (being steam)
LIKE GOG THAT ALSO TAKES 30%
Where’s your hate for GOG though? I don’t see it.
I never said GOG is good either, chill.
You’re still defending Steam’s 30% fee for no good reason besides cherry-picking failed competitors.
Also if you think “sale is good” and “Steam is customer friendly” (I think so too), why are you so mad when I talked about Steam’s 30% fee? I just said 30% is too high for just a game launcher. Fee acts like tariff, if Steam lowers fee little bit, game price will go down too. Which is super customer friendly. Don’t you like it?
Look, I don’t care how much you fangirling Steam, but it certainly doesn’t help Steam any better.
You mean all of them? PlayStation, Xbox, and GOG literally the only two that don’t do this is Itch.io and Epic and Epic games store hasn’t been profitable since it came out in 2018. And Itch is pretty much indie games only. Please name one other competitor that sells AAA titles that doesn’t do that besides epic which again hasn’t been profitable as a game store since 2018. They supplement it all with that fortnite money.
You want steam to be the only one that has AAA titles for sale that doesn’t take the same percentage cut every single other one takes?
Not fangirling either I’m pointing out that your hate is completely unwarranted. You should hate the gaming industry as a whole if you hate the pricing model it has set up.
The reason people put their games on PlayStation, Xbox, GOG and Steam is because that’s where all the players are. They could easily only sell it on Epic and not sell well if they wanted to do that. (The fee being so low on Epic is why they don’t make money BTW give it a search online)
These developers could even set up their own payment processing system and sell it directly on their own website which would take about, oh look at that 20 - 30% of profits without any of the exposure PS, Xbox, GOG, and Steam gives you. I wonder why they don’t do that if its such a bad deal for them? (Payment processing fees, bank fees, website hosting fees - add it all up you’re not talking about some random checking account you’re talking about an account moving millions of dollars through it)
You know Xbox and PlayStation could also stop charging you for the internet you already pay for and that would be super consumer friendly too. Also could not take 30% “Don’t you like it?” GOG could do it too. What’s stopping them?
Also no, I’m “mad” because you willfully misunderstood what I said earlier and said I was saying not to argue which is not what I said. But ok, let’s argue about it, then. You dont seem to know what you are talking about because so far your argument is shit because every single other competitor does what you’re crying about steam doing. Except the one losing money.
Calm down bro. I don’t hate Steam. I have hundreds of games on Steam and I launch Steam every day, play some games.
Ah yes, cashing process. Steam takes 30% after transactional fees applied, you know that right? Or are you talking about web/transactional server cost? Yeah it costs some but not like that much as you mentioned. Still feels like 30% of fee is too much for just a game launcher with cashing process. I don’t care about your business models with lots of swear, without solid convincing data about 30% of fee is necessary to maintain Steam.
Also swearing too much doesn’t make you look good, I’m sorry but I felt like talking to an angry cult member.
Again you are wrong that 30% includes payment fees give it a search and educate yourself.
But yeah all those “failed competitors” I “cherry picked” charge the same amount steam does which was your original argument about why it sucks so bad. So you should be outraged at PS and Xbox charging that AND a fee to use your internet on multiplayer games.
Literally the only one that charges less hasn’t been profitable. You’re out of your element Donny.
Every single other competitor charges the same thing they do, is that enough evidence or are you going to claim every single other service is a failed competitor again? Maybe you will say that Steam should go against the rest of the industry and charge less than literally any other profitable competitor even though they have the biggest userbase out of all of them?
And if the word shit hurts your feelings you should probably know what you’re talking about and not accuse me of saying stuff I didn’t say like suggesting I said not to argue about steam which again I never said. Reading comprehension can be hard, I get it.
I’ve seen additional fees multiple times at bill screen so I misunderstood. I apologize. Though, usually payment fees are below 5%. 30% is still too much cut. Doesn’t convince me at all.
Why should I shut up because other all competitors which I don’t care have similar fees? I’m still not getting answer from you about lowering fees means lowering game prices, which is core of my opinion. Why are you caring Valve’s profit margin so much? That’s Valve’s job and not customers concern.
And… why do you full trust with Valve? I mean we are just buying licenses to play … ok this will be a long tangent that I don’t want to stretch. Are you a Valve’s employee or Gabe himself? If not, why are you so zealous? I can’t get it at all.
I never told you to shut up you are good at putting words in peoples mouths I have noticed.
And no no, I don’t trust valve all the way. The licensing can be taken at any time in my opinion they have censorship issues and they said that about not being able to pass down games when you die. I dont trust them all the way.
What bothers me is when people complain and cry about how Valve charges so much in fees when the entire gaming industry charges the exact same fee. And yet somehow PS and Xbox and GOG are always excluded from the conversation when it comes to this discussion.
You being upset at Valve doesn’t change the rest of the gaming industry. Also no, not charging the fees isn’t going to lower prices because just like the sales all of that is up to the publishers and developers nothing is stopping them from charging 30% extra to cover the fees and again they could absolutely host their own stuff and deal with payment processing fees, hosting fees, bank fees and all that without the exposure that every single competitor to valve gives them at the same exact price valve charges.
One of those gives you double the exposure than the other two combined though and I’ll let you guess which one that is.