mathemachristian [he/him]

No, but you’re a bigot for extrapolating from a few sentences of a book to ~1/4 of the world population. You’ve constantly been referencing tropes, cliches and stereotypes about muslim people that show you have a very flat and cartoonish view of muslims. You seem to be thinking that being snarky about all religions gives you the right to be snarky about muslim people. It is one thing to be snarky and dismissive about religion (imo still cringe but whatever) but being snarky and dismissive of people and their culture is something else entirely.

Literally my first comment in this chain addresses this

As for this specific instance its not even hard to see how it is harming trans people: talking about hp keeps it in the spotlight which generates more sales.

hp fans and their reading comprehension good god

is it really this difficult to understand that keeping this franchise in the spotlight generates demand which generates sales? So your not literally putting money into the hands of a genocidaire extraordinaire woweee but you’re still creating hype around the product.

Edit: turns out this is the 3rd in this comment chain alone that I’m addressing the point you say I’m ignoring lmfao

People that don’t listen to trans people, but only consider themselves allies to make themselves feel better, so they can enjoy their transphobic treats while still patting each other on the back are detrimental to any movement and should be gotten rid of. And if you don’t even enjoy hp that much why are you coming to it’s defense so hard? If there are legit arguments as to why harry potter is so fucking important to someones life let that person speak up. Or if they can’t relay their message. You’re deplatforming them as well as trans people only to “defend the movement” from those “purists” that want a transphobic franchise squashed and want to put trans peoples arguments front and center.

My “strict adherence to what is right” is merely “listen to what trans people are saying, then do that”. That is it.

you want to try and belittle me into agreeing with you.

I want you to center trans people and not some hypothetical allies that might or might not “join the movement”. In any argument about whether something is good or not for trans people it’s trans peoples voices, and only trans peoples voices, that matters. If you don’t argue from a trans perspective it doesn’t matter. The allies perspective is irrelevant, our job is to make trans peoples voices heard and frequently, almost always really, this includes telling cis people to stfu.

Because this “comfort” comes at a cost for other peoples wellbeing.

especially kids in abusive households as those demographics tend to gravitate towards fantasy series like Harry Potter and LOTR the most.

I dont know if you mean this as “The majority of the HP and LOTR fanbase is comprised of kids in abusive households using them as a comfort from the abuse” or “The majority of kids in abusive households use HP and LOTR as comfort from the abuse” but either way that’s a huge claim, do you have anything to back that up?

I would be genuinely surprised if there is a person who would not be able to manage their PTSD without LOTR or HP.

Read the material I posted in the other comment I know you saw it because you responded with a similarly clever remark

Yes every muslim across time and space is just like an american fundamentalist from today. You are a very smart person.

Read the paragraph after

Second, the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in the 1980s coincided with that of the gay-rights movement in America and Europe, hardening cultural differences. Once homosexuality had become associated with the West, politicians were able to manipulate anti-LGBT feelings for their personal gain.

so it again traces back to the western powers who keep funding islamic fundamentalism as well as the population having such animosity towards the west because of what we did to them that politicians over there can just point at something, call it western, and people automatically assume it’s bad.

Because you’re so fucking obtuse that you confuse the book with the religion, no one knows how to explain this shit to someone this fucking dense.

Edit: educate yourself on where the current extreme homophobia in the middle east is coming from

The first is the influence, directly or indirectly, of European powers in the region. In 1885 the British government introduced new penal codes that punished all homosexual behaviour. Of the more than 70 countries that criminalise homosexual acts today, over half are former British colonies. France introduced similar laws around the same time.

https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/06/06/how-homosexuality-became-a-crime-in-the-middle-east

or more carefully studied in one instance here: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/comparative-studies-in-society-and-history/article/homophobic-muslims-emerging-trends-in-multireligious-singapore/2B06C99F6DB951C400B24AC82C5BF2A9

the tl;dr is the current severity of the persecution of LGBTQ+ people in muslim countries stems from europe. Not from Islam. Because the stance of one of the largest religions, that is 1200 years old, on any topic has not and never will be as uniquely and clearly defined as you think it is.

Being a bigot is.

Middle Easterners deserve every bit of my sympathy

Jesus fuck talk about western chauvinism

for being unintentionally associated with that bullshit

Guess how many MidDle EasTerneRs are muslim? Also what about north africans? Central and south east asian people? Do you know how LARGE a group muslims are? That statistically there must be 100s of millions of gay muslims?? Quit with this Muslim=arab=Middle easterner=“cishet brown person in a police state” bullshit, its racist.

Books are available secondhand. Games and movies can be pirated. It doesn’t cost anything to talk about a shared interest with friends.

Except it keeps this franchise alive, which in turn causes other people to buy the books, the games. If you want the franchise to die off, so no one buys their shit anymore you have to stop participating in it.

Why is “stop platforming fascists” such a controversial take?

This kind of rhetoric rises from what I’ve called the Authoritarian Left, which is an immensely detrimental wing. It’s a group where there is no nuance.

There is no nuance that you are aware of that the trans people that are calling for a ban of HP haven’t already thought of. It’s their lived experience after all. They know so many more nuances to this, or any other trans issue than you or I do. I don’t know how much time you spend in the discussions of the so-called “👻Authoritarian👻 Left” but I’ve found them to be immensely nuanced. Cis people don’t get a contradictory opinion on what harms trans people and what doesn’t, simple as.

You say that if a trans person says it’s hurting them I should stop doing it. OK, but what if a republican says it? Now suddenly I should ignore them?

It’s not just one trans person though is it? It’s a pretty widely held opinion in the trans community afaict. That bit about some hypothetical republican didn’t make sense to me, no idea what you’re trying to say here.

I love trans people, and I actively fight for them and their rights.

Maybe a bit more listening is due? A good start would be Trans Liberation: Beyond Pink or Blue.

I’m a durable ally. I’ll stick with it when it’s not cool or trendy, or when it comes at a cost.

Except when that cost is giving up Hahree Pawttah apparently.

To loop all the way back to the premise - if talking about Harry Potter at all hurts Trans people, then this post hurts trans people.

Talk about “no nuance”, obviously this post isn’t suggesting that the mere mentioning of the name is causing trans people worldwide psychic pain. But not purging Harry Potter from your life, giving space to a franchise that is used to hunt trans people is actively harmful. Wouldn’t you be suspicious of someone who is still a huge “The apprentice” fan? Or a huge “Tesla” fan (" Oh I’m not buying their cars, but I still admire them!!")? Similar sentiments apply here.

You have to allow more than one idea in your head at the same time. If you’re making the rule “talking about Harry Potter in any way, at any time, makes you an active enemy of the trans movement”, then that’s not a place I want to be associated with.

More generalizations from the nuance-haver, I think it’s addressed above but just to reiterate, its about purging a franchise from your life that is having a toxic effect on the world.

If you want advice - focus on how JK Rowling is harming people.

I’ll take my advice on fighting for the trans cause from trans people thanks.

This authoritarian left wing of democrats is what got Trump elected.

Source? I don’t believe that the democrats even have a left wing, much less an 👻authoritarian👻 one, much much less one that is powerful enough to have decisive swing in the presidential election.

the real trick is not scolding people into adherence

I’m gonna keep telling people that are platforming fascists that they are platforming fascists. If they continue to do it, I can then know where they stand.

Why wouldn’t you purge the franchise that funds trans genocide from your life?

Trans people: “this is doing harm to us please stop!”
Cis: “Is it really though? Asking people to quit their pottertreats is just alienating stop being so dramatic!”

Too bad, trans people are more important than your pottertreats. If trans people say something is hurting them just stop doing it. Don’t get into the nitty gritty of “how much harm does it do really?” make as wide a distance as you can to it.

As for this specific instance its not even hard to see how it is harming trans people: talking about hp keeps it in the spotlight which generats more sales.

Why wouldn’t you purge the franchise that funds trans genocide from your life??

And those countries are a true representation of the people? How many peoples democracies are in the middle east? And why are there so little, who keeps providing the initial armaments for groups like ISIL, Al-qaeda the taliban and so on? Must be the most homophobic country on earth! Another fun fact, a lot if not all, the homophobic sentiment got exported during british or french colonisation.

As for “acceptance or religion”:

Begging liberals to stop stereotyping muslims and spreading islamophobia.

As a christian who grew up in Turkey I can personally attest to the existence of many differing opinions ranging from the complete chud to the open minded. Just like with every other religion or really any group of people. Also there are a lot of gay muslims, I don’t know why people make this either-or distinction, a person can be more than one thing.

Who are they gonna buy the stuff from though 🤨

I am not, how come?

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