It’s the wrong place to ask, but if I liked this question, where should I be subscribed to besides [email protected] ?

And presuming a species that built a generation ship doesn’t have the ability to handle these environmental changes (either through “fixing” the environment or the genes). And there are two migrations here. I’m not seeing much targeting the earth to generation ship migration directly here. But, they’d all die in free space so the ship is an environmental “fix” and they may need a genetic “fix” to handle things like long term exposure to lower gravity, or some quirks of centripetal gravity.

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I think that marking things as “safe” could have more complications than this depending on their definition but I think you’re right that’s probably all this issue is. This is almost the only sane comment here. Everyone else seems to be frothing at the mouth and I’m guessing its a decent mix of not understanding much of how these systems work (and blindly running tutorials for those that do self host) and blind ideology (big companies are bad / any practice that restricts my personal freedom in any way is bad)

I’m not sure how this is news since the number is stable from months ago.

Unless my maths, and quick checks were wrong then, this single Musk/Trump/Miller/Vought change is between the amount of death caused by Nazis marching people to death camps, and the total deaths from the Germans in WWII. I know the USAID deaths are less direct and projected, but I wish I saw it framed this way more. At the very least to see how wrong I am

Bad content with new tools isn’t a new issue for sure… but it seems pretty dominant in places

Another example is/was every time a space X launch happening (particularly starship) if you search space x or elon musk on youtube. That used to be pretty crypto currency targeted slop though

It’s not just uncomfortable though, it’s hugely time consuming. And like, I think we’re getting to the point where more collective time has been spent explaining the world is not flat than the human hours it took to find out the world is round. If the person happens to be knowledgeable then they can kill a lot of time through out “what about X?” arguments (like missing links for evolution) and that requires someone with a lot of knowledge to slowly explain, so the approach also biases towards locking up the most knowledgeable people instead of them being more free to do other things (in the evolution example, maybe biology research).

I guess I’m not arguing against the empathy first communication, just lamenting how effective the flood the zone strategy is.

Where did I say that I think that not knowing with certainty implies the practice should be done?

I asked how we could know because it seems kind of tough to validate and that makes it interesting

Great reply, thanks.

nobody wants to be circumcised unless it’s all they’ve known

Yeah, that’s pretty solid. With what I’ve learnt in the last 24 or so hours (so I’m a clear expert) it seems like it could still be true that young children will not remember and that they heal differently so that there isn’t a diminishing feeling or the diminished feeling only happens with botched operations / poor healing or an unlucky few. None of those arguments seem solid though. I’m curious to see info on those points if anyone has it

And the other government with large contributors is China and intellectual property rights have never been strong there. Walk around a tech startup in China and you’ll see plenty of posters they’ve made with their products and with the faces of Elon Musk or Steve Jobs there as if they’re endorsing or part of the product

And the other government with large contributors is China and intellectual property rights have never been strong there. Walk around a startup and you’ll see plenty of posters they’re made with their products and with the faces of Elon Musk or Steve Jobs there as if they’re endorsing or part of the product

Not quite:

https://mander.xyz/comment/22680300

And I’m not confident that their aren’t more that I’m missing in a quick scan

Aligning on a purpose is important. I’d argue that being aware of how on board people are for that purpose is important too. I recently tried to say that the family chat should have less influencer posts since we don’t all agree on the positions and it causes friction. Boy was that a shit show

got personal stories about my loved one’s descent into MAGA

You and me both. It’s a bit terrifying how much of this has momentum outside the US. The supporters of South Korean president that ordered military rule wearing MAGA hats, or how often the talking points pop up outside the US, especially during US election cycles, from the “free thinkers”.

who does actually do a great job of prescribing the best advice for trying to engage in debate theatrics: Stop and move on.

Thinking of my personal experience, I get that, especially on the mental health front. Thinking of societal / political implications though, doesn’t that just give time to scatter information that’s hard to dislodge? A lot of what I’ve heard is the importance of prebunking, like what’s written in The Debunking Handbook (2020).

Let me know if you’d like to hear the synopsis in my own uneducated words, I in no way expect anyone to watch all that bullshit

I’ll save this post and get back to it. I also have a long boring flight coming up soon.

When I read this, it seemed like an attempt at a pithy comment that included a logical fallacy but I couldn’t put my finger on it. I think I have it now.

If you take the position that’s basically the opposite of the posters and simplify you could end up with an imaginary world with features like: circumcisions cause no lasting pain and have no effect on sexual sensation. In that world, trying to make sure there are less circumcisions is still pretty reasonable, you’re cutting up a baby for no reason. But what behaviour would you expect to see from people in this thread? I’d expect to only see circumcised people saying that many of the comments in this thread didn’t reflect their experience and for people opposed to circumcision to take those comments as defending the practice. Only circumcised people saying that a lot of these comments don’t reflect their experience would also be a quality in worlds where:

• circumcised people are trying to legitimise an experience they went through since otherwise they may have lost something for nothing, or
• there are strong religious groups trying to push for the practice of circumcision.

The fact that only circumcised people are saying a lot of these comments don’t reflect their experience doesn’t give us information about which of these worlds we live in (or more realistically, how much of each is part of our world since the last two obviously have some effect)

People’s personal comments about their experiences before and after the operation do help differentiate, but that wasn’t part of the pithy comment.

Do you have links to more effective strategies?

It just seems odd for the practice to have started in independently, in multiple places around the world, and to still be done for different reasons if that were a fact and not just a bias in framing (since a lot of people here seem to be strongly/angrily pushing a message). And that isn’t me saying that the practice should exist, or that the effect doesn’t exist, just that the practice gained momentum independently multiple times and both cutting up your child and lowering sexual pleasure are usually something that would slow down or stop that momentum. I guess there are plenty of counter examples, it’s not hard to find cultural habits that run from weird to terrifying in other cultures so plenty have to exist in yours

True, and if you kind of remove the Muslim map from the circumcision map I think you’re roughly left with the US, Canada and Australia. I originally thought British colonies, but a lot of the commonwealth doesn’t circumcise much. It’s not even British colonies that are still christian, since the UK doesn’t seem to circumcise much.

Anyway, I wonder why it’s these non-Muslim countries. I don’t think the Kellogg-masturbation narrative would have had that strong a hold in Australia, but I’ve been wrong a lot before

No, I clearly don’t know what it feels like for an uncircumcised person and nothing I have said has come close to that. I’m not pushing back on the idea that it might feel better for an uncircumcised person. I’m pushing back on an outspoken individual hoping to hear from more individuals on this thread

I honestly would be curious to see studies that people thought were trustworthy that showed it one way or another. Accounting for it in an adult is easy (ask before, ask after, large enough sample) but its not inconceivable that it’s different when done on children (they heal better in general and the practice is relatively widespread) and I think a study that managed to do demonstrate difference there would be difficult. That said, most of what I saw at a glance seemed to indicate little change and the voices on this thread seem to be shouting it’s a large change in feeling. It would be nice to be able to account for that difference. And I struggle a little with the idea that there is a large change in most individuals since that would imply it could be feeling a lot better and it already feels amazing enough that it already gets me into plenty of trouble.

Sorry, it both wasn’t clear what you meant, and I thought read in a way other people might completely discount that study. I appreciate my reply pointing out I had asked someone else their experience was probably a bit condescending, but the comment here was just there for clarification since it didn’t read to me as being clear