Sure, let’s just take the German voice of state propaganda at its word about Russian propaganda. That’s gone super well in the past.
Lol, this is straight up bullshit, there’s no fucking source for anything, it’s not even an article, it’s a video where its “proof” is that some Spanish speakers called Ukrainians nazis (disculpenos yanquis si aca en latinoamerica no nos tragamos la mierda a palazos como lo hacen en el norte) and then goes on to CITE EXPERTS AND THEY SHOW A CLIP OF ANOTHER OF THEIR VERY OWN VIDEOS AND YOU’RE TELLING ME RUSSIANS ARE SPREADING DISINFORMATION BY JESUS CHRIST.
Finally! Someone has to fight against US propaganda there.
Explain to me what’s so great about you supporting Russia’s propaganda in discrediting Zelenksy and Ukraines war efforts defending their own homes against warcriminals and aggressors?!
Someone has to counter the greatest propaganda machine in the world built and operated by the US to manage its global empire and many decades of bloodletting, massacres, tortures, slavery, environmental devastation, genocides, and its astronomical body count.
And yes, that same propaganda machine is the one that taught you everything you know about Zelensky and Ukraine, as they’ve been propagandizing the entire world about Ukraine since it was a part of the USSR. You are literally sitting in a century-long stream of American disinformation on the region. Which is why you think American newspapers crowing about “Russian disinformation” is worthy of anything other than ridicule and derision.
Russia is committing genocide and you think it’s great?
I think the bloodletting is horrendous, and I think the US bears the overwhelming majority of the blame for it. In 2022 the US provided more lethal aid than Russia’s entire annual military budget. In literally every conflict where the US sends weapons, the death toll skyrockets. Without lethal aid from the North Atlantic, this SMO would have been over very quickly and the bloodshed would have been far less.
The US is to blame for an invasion of a sovereign nation by Russia?
The US is to blame for so so so much in this conflict, but obviously not for Russia making the choice it made. National security is a relationship, not a state of being. A nation’s national security is dependent on the national security of every other nation. It’s a system. Russia attempted to work with NATO, even attempting to join it, because everyone knows that national security is an interrelational framework. The US refused to admin Russia. The US refused to do anything to advance Russian national security for decades. The US explicitly stated that Russian national security is not relevant. The US explicitly acted against Russian national security interest and explicitly refused to negotiate anything that had to do with Russian national security.
The US worked for decades to get Ukraine to join NATO, up to and including supporting a violent right wing coup, sending its war heroes and its statespersons to support every anti-Russian movement in Ukraine. It worked hand-in-hand with Ukrainian military forces to establish anti-Russian capabilities and pave the way for nuclear capabilities owned and operated by the US to be deployed against Russia on Ukrainian soil.
And the US knew this would trigger an attack for 30 years. Literally as far back as Clinton the US was in talks with Russia about how Ukraine must remain neutral for Russia to be nationally secure, and documents from that time show Clinton and his administration leaving those talks and immediately talking about how to get Ukraine to join the North Atlantic bloc and turn against Russia.
Ukraine is the physical territory through which Russia was brutally invaded twice, most recently by the Third Reich. It is not appropriate to look at Russia’s decision to invade and limit your analysis to that one moment. The US has spent 30 years creating this conflict, deliberately, and it has cost the Ukranians their lives and their country. And then the US did exactly the one thing that would cause more Ukranian deaths once the conflict started - it fed them arms. Ukraine’s is tiny compared to Russia. It has no chance to defeat Russia. Feeding arms into the conflict means the proxy continues to fight and continues to draw more fire and continues to die at larger and larger numbers. Literally every conflict the US has pumped arms into shows this result. Had the US simply stopped it’s program as soon as Russia invaded, the Russian SMO would have succeeded much more quickly with far less damage. Instead, the US has shown us exactly what it’s doing - it’s building it’s own military capabilities to fight China while attempting to weaken the Russian position by sacrificing Ukraine for it’s strategic goals.
The US had 30 years to stop this. Russia made many attempts over the years to demonstrate that the US program needed to stop because national security is non-negotiable for every single nation on the planet. But the US chose death for the Ukrainians and continued it’s program knowing full well that Russia would eventually be forced to react or be subjugated. That Russia reacted when it did was a matter of Russian strategy and military intelligence. That Russia reacted at all was the known outcome of US foreign policy in Ukraine for 30 years and every diplomat, politician, and military analyst knew it.
The US worked for decades to get Ukraine to join NATO
Why would Russia or anyone else care if someone joins NATO? Doesn’t it only start to matter if you ambition to invade a NATO country? You make it sound like Russia’s problem is that US makes it harder for them to invade foreign countries. Given Russia’s history, that seems absolutely reasonable.
There’s nothing inherently bad about propaganda. The problem with Russian propaganda is that it’s trying to justify a brutal invasion that has killed hundreds of thousands of people, among them children buried in rubble by missile strikes. The US did the same after it’s invasion of Iraq. It was wrong then and it’s wrong now.
The US has been using propaganda to justify its atrocities, genocides, mass murders, environmental devastations, scores of violent coups, invasions, use of chemical and nuclear weapons against civilians, torture, enslavement, human trafficking, war profiteering, and massive body count for over a century. Far worse, for far longer, and far more deadly than anything Russia or the USSR has ever done.
You’re right that propaganda is inherently neutral. When Euro-centric news outlets complain about Russian propaganda, it’s completely and utterly without standing, as most of them are part of the US propaganda machine in big or small ways. These complaints are worthy of nothing but ridicule.
This argument is literally taken out of a" Russian propaganda for dummies’ textbook.
Also what are you even saying: because USA did some bad in the past , though Russia has been doing very bad lately, Yet because it’s not USA, Ruzzia is good? They have truly a fascist state man.
If you want to live in an illusion, enjoy, just be be mindful & respectful of the ones who have been suffering because of constant Russian shelling, killings and bombs. This isn’t about USA, but you want to make it about them. Talking about being obsessed or something.
USA has never stopped doing some bad, ever. It is founded entirely on doing bad. It continues to do bad to this day. It is literally engaged in mass murder daily and lying about it. It’s non fucking stop mass murder at the hands of USA globally and their propaganda system has poisoned nearly every single communication company you can name. Russian propaganda could never hold a candle to what the USA is doing every single day.
You say that Russia has a fascist state, yet ignore that Hitler, in Mein Kampf, literally said his vision was to replicate the US system in Europe and target the Slavs the way the USA actively oppressed the indigenous peoples in the Americas. What could literally be more fascist than the USA? It is literally the thing from which European fascism emerged and when European fascism was defeated, it was the USA (and the Vatican) that distributed Nazis into normal society, appointed them as generals of NATO, and brought them into positions of influence and power.
It was the US that developed and deployed nuclear and chemical weapons and committed the first generational mass murders in the world, literally dooming millions of future children to violent deaths from the poisons they deployed.
When NATO bombed Yugoslavia citing “humanitarian aid”, they dropped thousands of tons of depleted uranium on urban populations, and the region has the highest rates of fatal cancers, childhood cancers, and violent birth defects. The US literally murders and tortures children before they are born.
The idea that a proxy war between USA and Russia isn’t about USA is ridiculous. If you want to live in an illusion, enjoy, but be mindful and respectful of the people in South America who have been tortured, mass murdered, completely displaced and who have been under cultural genocide and complete environmental devastation from the US via direct and indirect military action, training and arming death squads, funding and supporting fascist coups, and dumping millions of tons of toxic waste, and dooming millions to deaths of poverty and neglect through deliberate political action - all of it covered entirely by USA propaganda.
Forgive me if I think it’s disgusting when Eurocentric news outlets cry about Russian propaganda. They all deserve to be completely dismantled, and they will be eventually.
Fight it with russian propaganda? Do you realise that it’s WAY worse?
Literally nothing in the last 500 years is worse than the North Atlantic campaign of global genocide, racial capitalism, settler colonialism, environmental devastation, psychological warfare, mass murder, sexual violence, and utter subjugation of 80% of the planet. The US is the pinnacle of that subjugation and violence. Russia cannot hold a candle to the US’s global violence. No, it is impossible for Russian propaganda to be worse in any way.
