Example: I believe that IP is a direct contradiction of nature, sacrificing the advancement of humanity and the world for selfish gain, and therefore is sinful.
Edit: pls do not downvote the comments this is a constructive discussion
Edit2: IP= intellectal property
Edit3: sort by controversal
Killing yourself is ok. You don’t know what it’s like to be them and be in their head.
I’ll never do it. Even in darkest depths, but respect anyone’s right to say peace out.
Agreed. The idea that you owe people your life is pretty nuts. At the end of the day, you can be robbed of everything, including your life. But it’s the one thing you’re not allowed to end. In a perfect world I do think that people who are suicidal should both:
(a) have to discuss their suicide with a trained professional. What does this look like? Idk. But probably along the lines of “are you capable of healing / can we heal what is causing these thoughts or no?”
(b) be able to get professional euthanasia. No pain, someone to be there with them through the process. Not just a sterile room where you go to die, but a place you are going to leave your pain behind and move on
If there is an afterlife, hopefully they find peace there.
Anybody who says you owe it to other people to be alive does not understand how to talk to somebody with suicidal ideation. That is not constructive and any therapist would scream at you for that. So you’re not wrong, but that also isn’t was people who want to stop suicides are using as an argument in any meaningful number.
The dominant reason for trying to stop people from killing themselves is that, especially in a fit of passion, they may regret it later and it can’t be undone. It’s as simple as that.
The data bears this out, we have decades of research showing that people who survive suicide attempts most often immediately regretted it when they attempted and thought they were successful.
That’s absolutely true, and as I said, I’m not a professional and I would never claim to be, and would never want someone to end their life if they could be helped (probably every person who would regret it). That being said I think there is a social stigma of “don’t do it because what would happen to [x]”? I’ve had close friends that ended their lives and the focus after was on who it affected rather than why or how they got there and why they didn’t get help. Additionally our society is built on a system of “work to live” which can certainly be crushing to those who already feel crushed. Hopefully we can do better in the future.
Again, that is not how you talk to people with suicidal ideation and I think you need to separate that out from the larger body of people who think we shouldn’t let people kill themselves. I know you’re not actually trying to do a strawman, but in some ways this is basically a strawman.
Sure, I won’t say anything further. The original post was about common morals that you may disagree with and now we’re in pragmatics, no reason to continue