I just realized that none of the comments or posts I made in the last week from my instance are getting to lemmy.world.

I went to see if I my instance was defederated. No, still showing as connected.

I then went to see if I got blocked or banned. Nope, my username is not showing up in the modlog anywhere.

Is it because my instance is small? I guess not, because I can interact with people and communities from anywhere else just fine.

At the moment, the only plausible explanation I have is that lemmy.world is overwhelmed and dropping messages from smaller instances. They do however everything in their power to keep more users coming up.

Yeah, I get that they were being attacked. I can only imagine that getting DDOS’d is not fun, and worrying about the Schmoes on the smaller instances is not a top concern.

But even in the middle of these constant outages and attacks, the lemmy.world admins are still keeping registrations open? Why? Wouldn’t it be better if they encouraged the users to move out of the instance to reduce the load? Isn’t the whole point of decentralized technologies to be, you know, decentralized?

I shouldn’t have to come here, create an account and make things even more centralized just so that I can tell people that this attitude is hurting the fediverse.

I wouldn’t be so pissed at this if it weren’t for the fact that some many communities were created here and is making this particular instance a crucial part of the fediverse, but the admins seems to be more worried about getting their user count up than the health of the overall system.

Please, admins, the more you go with this unstable federation and open registrations, the more of an incentive you are creating to centralize this further here. Help the fediverse and help yourselves. Close down registrations and focus on ensuring that everyone can access the communities that are being formed here.

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    As for why I am not naming my instance: this post went to -1 as soon as it got posted. My comments are also being downvoted quite quickly. I don’t believe that I am being rude or uncivil, yet it feels like mods and admins are more worried about fighting to keep the status quo than helping the community at large, and I’d worry about retaliation.

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      The reason you’re being downvoted is because you experienced a problem (Posts from your instance won’t show up in this instance), came up with a pet theory for why that problem might be happening (This instance must be dropping posts from small instances because it’s overloaded from all the users), assumed it was correct (Based on what, exactly? Because it’s definitely not correct), then came here to post about it in a very confrontational, demanding, and accusatory tone, with a seeming lack of desire or ability to consider that you may be the mistaken one. Moreso, the change you’re suggesting would have dramatic and perhaps negative repercussions for both this instance and Lemmy as a whole.

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        • I did eliminate all the possibilities I had at hand.
        • The only one that offered some hint at a solution was not related to this instance, and was not demanding to know my instance beforehand.
        • The stated reason given to not close registrations fails any smell test.

        perhaps negative repercussions for both this instance and Lemmy as a whole.

        AKA, “we are too big to fail”?

        I’m too old for internet drama and I think that if we want the fediverse to win we need to be a lot more mindful of the collective and avoid tribal thinking. But honestly, this shit with lemmy.world is starting to get a bit weird. I mean, the lemmy devs were recommending from the beginning to not have overly large instances, yet the admins here kept ignoring this and hoarding more people. What is the endgame?

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          I’m too old for internet drama

          100% of this drama was self-inflicted. You could have PMed an admin describing your problem and asking if they knew what was up. They seem like pretty helpful and reasonable people to me.

          AKA, “we are too big to fail”?

          Doesn’t really follow from any of what anyone has said - we’re not talking about lemmy.world failing, we’re talking about it closing registration. The one thing Lemmy needs to survive long-term is more active users. Putting up barriers to that, especially on the most popular instance, will hurt growth for the entire lemmyverse - because if there’s one thing new users implicitly don’t understand, it’s how federation works. A decent portion of people who try to sign up and fail will just give up and go back to reddit, and we’re all worse-off for it.

          Not to mention that most people who do successfully join figure out how federation works pretty fast, and are more than capable of moving to another instance if they consider any of what you’ve mentioned important to them at all.

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            The one thing Lemmy needs to survive long-term is more active users.

            They don’t need to be in the same instance

            because if there’s one thing new users implicitly don’t understand, it’s how federation works.

            Then we take that as an opportunity to educate them instead of tricking them out into believing that it is a good idea to put them all in the same server.

            A decent portion of people who try to sign up and fail will just give up and go back to reddit

            They will also go back to reddit if they join a server that is constantly having outages.

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              They don’t need to be in the same instance

              No one, not even the lemmy.world admins, are suggesting that. In this very thread they’ve mentioned imminent plans to educate new users about other instances during the sign-up process.

              Then we take that as an opportunity to educate them instead of tricking them out into believing that it is a good idea to put them all in the same server.

              Nobody is being tricked here, and you need a seriously warped view of the situation to think otherwise.

              They will also go back to reddit if they join a server that is constantly having outages.

              You’re still making the same incorrect assumption that your original post made, that the stability issues are even tangentially related to user count instead of ongoing attacks. But again - new users figure out federation within a few days. If the outages bother them they’re smart enough to know they can try a different instance and now likely have the experience needed to know which one may be the best fit for them.

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                You’re still making the same incorrect assumption that your original post made, that the stability issues are even tangentially related to user count instead of ongoing attacks.

                The issue is not causation, but correlation. Any entity that stands out in an otherwise distributed system are more likely to become a target. Can you agree to that?

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                  I can agree to that, but I can not and will not agree to the implication that the solution is simply to have no large instances. Federation has a lot of strengths, but it has a lot of weaknesses as well - there are drawbacks to large instances, but there are lots of benefits too, to both the instance and Lemmy as a whole, and closing new registrations invalidates that.

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                    will not agree to the implication that the solution is simply to have no large instances.

                    The instance is already large as it is. Closing down registrations will not reduce the size of the instance. It will just stop it from growing even more and it would give a chance for other instances to help spread the load.

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          If you’re too old for internet drama, why are you starting it? There’s more mature ways to go about this than petitioning to have an instance that isn’t yours shut down registration.

          You also don’t seem willing to work with the admins to figure out what is really wrong.

          If you have an issue, take it up with the admins privately before jumping to conclusions and starting a petition that doesn’t even do anything except cause drama.

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            petitioning to have an instance that isn’t yours shut down.

            First, I am not talking about shutting the instance down, I talking about closing down registrations - at least until their stability issues are solved.

            Second, do you understand that (to an outsider) what this instance is doing is akin to environmental pollution? Of course the petition will come from someone who is “not from here”, because those are the ones that end up being affected by it!

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              So now youre changing your excuses. And you still didn’t address the root of all the drama you’re causing. Good job avoiding any kind of personal responsibility for all the drama and creating even more. Have you gone to lemmy.ml and demanded the same thing? What about beehaw? What about any other instance than this one? Maybe you should just defed from this instance instead of demanding a bunch of stuff that may not even help your original issue. Or any of the other issues you keep bringing up.

              Again, did you even try to contact the admins prior to this? Did you ask the devs of lemmy for assistance? Did you do anything other than make up excuses in your head to hate lemmy.world?

              Edit: You’re probably making all this stuff up since you don’t want to address anything.

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                Have you gone to lemmy.ml and demanded the same thing?

                I don’t have to, the lemmy.ml admins themselves are telling others to join other instances and are doing their part to make sure that the system works.

                Maybe you should just defed?

                Do you realize that my complaint is because this is exactly what is happening in practice against my own desires? I can see (most) of the messages that come to my instance, but any message that I am write on my instance never shows up here.

                may not even help your original issue.

                My “original issue” is just a symptom of a larger problem: there is one instance in the fediverse that is growing in a dysfunctional way, like a tumor, and this is causing systemic faults elsewhere. There is a way that this instance could help mitigate this problem (close down registrations until it is better organized and/or there are other instances that can withstand the growth as well) yet the admins have refused to take this measure with (IMHO, seemingly) poor justifications.

                Again, did you even try to contact the admins prior to this?

                Actually, yes, I wrote a post from my instance hoping it would reach here.

                You’re probably making all this stuff up since you don’t want to address anything.

                I am really not interested in doxxing myself. Would you blame me, given that I’m apparently in the weak end of a confrontation with a tiny mob?

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                    WHICH YOU STATED THIS POST WAS ORIGINALLY ABOUT.

                    Let me repeat. My instance not being to communicate with this is a symptom of a much larger issue: lemmy.world is growing in an unsustainable and irresponsible way, and this is bringing systemic risks to the system as a whole.

                    So, no, the post is not about “dropped comments”. The post is hopefully a wake-up call to tell you that this attitude of “let’s keep bringing users no matter what” is cancerous.

                    And yes, I did say something to that before in previous interactions, and the response was not that different from this post: a myopic defensiveness, perhaps based on their personal belief that what they are doing is good/ethical, even when others are crying out “this way will bring us all to chaos”.

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          Yeah, I’ve got no dog in this fight but you do seem to be coming across as a bit of a dingus.

          In my work, when someone comes to me and assumes I or my team is screwing up because they “eliminated all possibilities at hand” 90% of the time, they screwed up and didn’t realize it.

          People rarely make mistakes knowingly. Quite often there’s something they didn’t know or overlooked. If I had to wager, my money would be on you overlooking some small detail.

          I mean, another easy example, you’re taking downvotes as some sign the mods and admins are fighting to maintain the status quo, instead of, y’know, you might be coming off as a bit of a dick…

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            In my work, when someone comes to me and assumes I or my team is screwing up because they “eliminated all possibilities at hand” 90% of the time, they screwed up and didn’t realize it.

            Yeah, at that point the onus is on the person putting forth the problem to show their work. Start listing off possibilities that you’ve eliminated. You can have thirty years of technical experience and still be completely useless by assuming that you’re just as smart as the person you’re explaining the problem to.

            “I did eliminate all the possibilities I had at hand”? Naw man, anyone dropping that line has only eliminated all possibilities that they can think of, and all of that supposed thinking about “all the possibilities” is worthless if they aren’t going to offer it up as a starting point.

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      I mean, you named your account “you are hurting the fediverse” to come and ask them to close registrations then you ignore their questions. Seems kinda rude to me.

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      I don’t believe that I am being rude or uncivil

      Dude. You’re literally naming yourself “you are hurting the fediverse”. How 'bout I go to your instance and call myself “@youareafuckingmoron” and ask you politely to change something on your instance? Would you think it just a wee tad uncivil?

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      I don’t believe that I am being rude or uncivil

      Well, herein lies the problem, because the rest of us do. You’re assuming that you know better than the people who have been doing this for years, and dismissing their attempts to help as “excuses”. I really don’t know what other outcome you could have possibly foreseen with this combative attitude.

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      Maybe the reason is that you behave like a first-class asshole idiot? You wanted help, but evaded the reasonable question for your instance name. Several times. While making unreasonable demands. I’ve seen a lot of idiots in thirty years of being on the internet, and seriously, you are one of the bigger ones.

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      I mean, you are demanding something in a very unrespectful way, without considering the negative impact that could have in the grow of the fedi as a whole, and say that any reason why you could be wrong is an excuse that you need to adress. But it must be the admins who need to mantain the status quo if you get downvoted. I think you are not being very self aware.