It’s even more horrifying. America does have 2 parties, it’s just they’ve collectively dragged the overton window so far right that the “left” party is still to the right of most countries (extreme) “right” parties.
Similar results, but require very different fixes.
Watching, as an outsider, there’s not. That fact is truly horrifying. The democrats are roughly aligned with the UK conservative party. Shitty but tolerable. The republicans are way off in the sticks, with no comparison.
By analogy, democrats are like being shot in the gut with a high power paintball gun. The republicans are like being shot with a high caliber revolver. Both involve getting shot, both are unpleasant, but one is still FAR worse than the other.
Unfortunately if you don’t choose 1 then you will likely end up with even more.
The issue is that trying not to play, just plays into the hands of the extremists.
I watched something similar play out with Brexit. It was less a shit sandwich and more a firehouse of diarrhea shoved down our collective throat. It’s been less than pleasant. The people who were disinterested and didn’t vote made a huge difference. They didn’t want a shit sandwich, so got the fire hose with the rest of us.
The “both sides are the same” is a concern troll phrase. It’s almost always used by people whose views align extremely well with the republican party. It’s generally used as “both are the same, so why bother voting” though wrapped in more words.
Basically your sounding off with a right wing dog whistle, and people are reacting to it.
If that’s people’s take then I suggest reading comprehension classes. I’m done being polite to idiots. The republican party can remove itself from the planet in whatever way it sees fit, I’m not picky. And if people can’t grasp that I’m saying the republican party is vastly shittier, then we’ll I guess I’m done trying to explain.
On this issue yes, on other issues, no. See: Republicans wanting to cut all support to Ukraine so that Daddy Vladdy can win his war.
Don’t forget that the 2016 DNC hack was accompanied by an equal hack of the RNC, it’s just that the Republican info was saved as kompromat where the Democratic info was released in the short term to damage them and help Trump win the election so Putin could have his puppet in the White House.
Obama expanded the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, massively increased the drone strikes and continued the support for Saudi Arabia (the country that financed 9/11 and the nationality of the majority of those involved).
When it comes the US foreign policy, neither side is the good guy.
The US is an imperialist murder machine, i don’t really care if some say they support my right to live or not. They’ll just kill me in the water riots like anyone else.
On this issue yes, on other issues, no. See: Republicans wanting to cut all support to Ukraine so that Daddy Vladdy can win his war.
you crazies think the republicans support putin? are you fucking deranged?
once again americans lean on the good ol reliable of “THOSE FUCKIN RUSSIANS” whenever they fuck up. This is extremely pathetic, your politics are that of a child.
those are terrible names, except maybe moscow mitch that one has potential
and who said i support putin, the bastard is a neoliberal cuck for oligarchs that rape the people of the post soviet world.
Oh baby, then all of america is a putin stooge, they’re the ones that put him in office! The russian federation is a monstrosity of america’s own hand. You would have been better off leaving the east alone. You americans started this war, these are all america’s monsters.
Again though, america pulls the strings, only an absolute ideological cuck would think something as stupid as (don’t laugh) AMERICA BEING CONTROLLED BY RUSSIA
Putin stooge im dying
if anything the republicans would only want russian allies to end the world in a war with china.
Our nations birthday and where are all these traitorous fucks? Taking orders from Putin.
And no. America did not put Putin in power. He made a power play on Yeltsin and had the presidency handed to him. Being the former head of the KGB, he knows how to press people to get what he wants. America also did not start the Ukrainian war, that started when Putin invaded in 2014 and stole Crimea. It can end today, Putin just had to go home. America should’ve bombed his personal mansion(s) for Crimea too, as we swore to defend Ukraine against an aggressive Russia when Ukraine gave up their nukes but Obama’s a bitch.
If you really believe your astroturfing you haven’t paid any attention to American party politics in, at least, the last 10 years. I know, cuz I do, almost religiously. Some people follow sports, some people like celebrities. I read, in this order, my cities, my counties, my states, then national, and finally international geo-politik. Political science/economics/philosophy are what I’m all about and not a fucking word of anything youve said has even an ounce of coherency to it.
More accurately it’s Putin supports the Republicans, and he’s financing the far right in every other western nation as well. World’s richest man and all, Putin owns them.
Republicans: repeat Russian propaganda, spend major US holidays in Russia, are played on Russia state TV, try to defund Ukraine.
You: obviously they don’t support Russia!
although you are correct about foreign policy i’d like to differ on the internal policy
Internally it seems no different either, the Reps forward racism and extortion, the dems dont do anything to stop it and in fact keep anything from undoing the republican’s changes
they’re really quite the same, the dems just have a blm sticker on as they increase funding for the militarized police state
You’re being downvoted but you’re not really wrong. Biden just sent millions of more dollars to the cops " to protect schools " as if American police departments aren’t already some of the most heavily armed and well equipped police in the world right now.
The Republicans are definitely more overt in their anti women and anti queer rheortic and actions, but the dems are fortifying the military industrial complex when the writing on the wall is clearly that these weapons will be used agaisnt the people domestically rather then protecting any schools or whatever bullshit reason they come up with.
Many police have been openly supportive of fascist movements and helped facilitate Trumps election in the first place. Not to mention most American cops seem to think that the BLM protests were worse then J6. Giving them more weapons and power will only result in more death for the average person. They’re a quasi military/state within state force at this point.
The fact that this critism is not taken at face value is insane. Biden is a racist bootlicker in his own right. Democrats will sell the rope to the Republicans that they will use to hang them with.
So, giving more funding to cops is the exact same thing as the culture war Republicans have drummed up. Huh, interesting take. Also interesting to note that the one person you mentioned who is actually moderate at best is the sole representation of the entire Democrat party. No nuance and no other ideas are allowed. Just Biden’s. Got it.
So, giving more funding to cops is the exact same thing as the culture war Republicans have drummed up.
More or less. Who do you think fights on the frontline of the " culture wars " ? And yes, Biden is the leader. He represents the party. You wouldn’t make such foolish defenses for Trump or the GOP, but will for democrats.
Downvoters without commenting their dissent are just cowards, I wasn’t expecting good anti imperialist takes from lemmyworld anyhow
which is why im very surprised someone like you is here, your voice is a rock in a storm, I thank you.
The dems have also continued building the wall, opening several large oil extraction projects, and have ended any response to the still very active covid crisis.
But libs will take the lies at face value without doing anything to look at the actual actions being taken. After BLM most democrat mayors increased police spending and cracked down on all BLM movements. BLM failed, it was co-opted into a useless saying and hashtag. The dems exist to break the american left and turn everyone into mindless liberals.
also democrats: lets send weapons to the fascists in israel to help their genocide
America is a one party state, but in typical american extravagance they have two of them
Republicans: draft yet another racist bill aimed at hurting minorities and refugees
This guy: Fuckin democrats
Tbf, I don’t expect much from someone who names themselves after Stalin and thinks they have sensible political opinions
Love to see it.
It’s even more horrifying. America does have 2 parties, it’s just they’ve collectively dragged the overton window so far right that the “left” party is still to the right of most countries (extreme) “right” parties.
Similar results, but require very different fixes.
There is no real “Left” in American politics. You have Eisenhower Republicans, and then you have Nazis. Choose.
thats kind of what i said, but the difference between the parties is minuscule.
Watching, as an outsider, there’s not. That fact is truly horrifying. The democrats are roughly aligned with the UK conservative party. Shitty but tolerable. The republicans are way off in the sticks, with no comparison.
By analogy, democrats are like being shot in the gut with a high power paintball gun. The republicans are like being shot with a high caliber revolver. Both involve getting shot, both are unpleasant, but one is still FAR worse than the other.
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No it’s not. One isn’t the greatest, sure. But the other actively wants to make the US a Christian theocracy.
Yes, and they’re the ones with more scoops of shit.
Unfortunately if you don’t choose 1 then you will likely end up with even more.
The issue is that trying not to play, just plays into the hands of the extremists.
I watched something similar play out with Brexit. It was less a shit sandwich and more a firehouse of diarrhea shoved down our collective throat. It’s been less than pleasant. The people who were disinterested and didn’t vote made a huge difference. They didn’t want a shit sandwich, so got the fire hose with the rest of us.
I never once suggested not playing. I’m not sure why everyone seems to think that.
Literally all I said is they’re both shitty options but one is clearly more shitty.
The “both sides are the same” is a concern troll phrase. It’s almost always used by people whose views align extremely well with the republican party. It’s generally used as “both are the same, so why bother voting” though wrapped in more words.
Basically your sounding off with a right wing dog whistle, and people are reacting to it.
If that’s people’s take then I suggest reading comprehension classes. I’m done being polite to idiots. The republican party can remove itself from the planet in whatever way it sees fit, I’m not picky. And if people can’t grasp that I’m saying the republican party is vastly shittier, then we’ll I guess I’m done trying to explain.
Be mad, I guess.
So the plan is to sit and pout and get forced fed an extra big heaping spoonful through inaction?
I don’t kink shame but maybe don’t blend your coprophagia with your politics.
Who said sit and do nothing?
Who said don’t vote?
All I said is they’re both shitty options, and one is clearly more shitty.
May have misunderstood your intended message, my bad.
It’s not though
Internally in the US there is a fairly large policy difference between D and R.
When it comes to foreign policy, you are correct. There is no difference between them.
On this issue yes, on other issues, no. See: Republicans wanting to cut all support to Ukraine so that Daddy Vladdy can win his war.
Don’t forget that the 2016 DNC hack was accompanied by an equal hack of the RNC, it’s just that the Republican info was saved as kompromat where the Democratic info was released in the short term to damage them and help Trump win the election so Putin could have his puppet in the White House.
Counterpoint:
Obama expanded the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, massively increased the drone strikes and continued the support for Saudi Arabia (the country that financed 9/11 and the nationality of the majority of those involved).
When it comes the US foreign policy, neither side is the good guy.
The US is an imperialist murder machine, i don’t really care if some say they support my right to live or not. They’ll just kill me in the water riots like anyone else.
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you crazies think the republicans support putin? are you fucking deranged?
once again americans lean on the good ol reliable of “THOSE FUCKIN RUSSIANS” whenever they fuck up. This is extremely pathetic, your politics are that of a child.
Moscow Mitch. Cheeto Mussolini. Graham Cracker.
Those are but three. Yes, they support Russian propaganda and policies. The GOP are feckless, self-serving cock-whistles. Sounds like you are, too.
those are terrible names, except maybe moscow mitch that one has potential
and who said i support putin, the bastard is a neoliberal cuck for oligarchs that rape the people of the post soviet world.
Oh baby, then all of america is a putin stooge, they’re the ones that put him in office! The russian federation is a monstrosity of america’s own hand. You would have been better off leaving the east alone. You americans started this war, these are all america’s monsters.
Again though, america pulls the strings, only an absolute ideological cuck would think something as stupid as (don’t laugh) AMERICA BEING CONTROLLED BY RUSSIA
Putin stooge im dying
if anything the republicans would only want russian allies to end the world in a war with china.
Google “Republicans 4th of July Moscow”
Our nations birthday and where are all these traitorous fucks? Taking orders from Putin.
And no. America did not put Putin in power. He made a power play on Yeltsin and had the presidency handed to him. Being the former head of the KGB, he knows how to press people to get what he wants. America also did not start the Ukrainian war, that started when Putin invaded in 2014 and stole Crimea. It can end today, Putin just had to go home. America should’ve bombed his personal mansion(s) for Crimea too, as we swore to defend Ukraine against an aggressive Russia when Ukraine gave up their nukes but Obama’s a bitch.
If you really believe your astroturfing you haven’t paid any attention to American party politics in, at least, the last 10 years. I know, cuz I do, almost religiously. Some people follow sports, some people like celebrities. I read, in this order, my cities, my counties, my states, then national, and finally international geo-politik. Political science/economics/philosophy are what I’m all about and not a fucking word of anything youve said has even an ounce of coherency to it.
More accurately it’s Putin supports the Republicans, and he’s financing the far right in every other western nation as well. World’s richest man and all, Putin owns them.
Republicans: repeat Russian propaganda, spend major US holidays in Russia, are played on Russia state TV, try to defund Ukraine. You: obviously they don’t support Russia!
Nuh uh
although you are correct about foreign policy i’d like to differ on the internal policy
Internally it seems no different either, the Reps forward racism and extortion, the dems dont do anything to stop it and in fact keep anything from undoing the republican’s changes
they’re really quite the same, the dems just have a blm sticker on as they increase funding for the militarized police state
Even if that were true (it’s not) those are still two very different choices
You’re being downvoted but you’re not really wrong. Biden just sent millions of more dollars to the cops " to protect schools " as if American police departments aren’t already some of the most heavily armed and well equipped police in the world right now.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4289536-biden-administration-334m-police-officers-school-security/
The Republicans are definitely more overt in their anti women and anti queer rheortic and actions, but the dems are fortifying the military industrial complex when the writing on the wall is clearly that these weapons will be used agaisnt the people domestically rather then protecting any schools or whatever bullshit reason they come up with.
Many police have been openly supportive of fascist movements and helped facilitate Trumps election in the first place. Not to mention most American cops seem to think that the BLM protests were worse then J6. Giving them more weapons and power will only result in more death for the average person. They’re a quasi military/state within state force at this point.
The fact that this critism is not taken at face value is insane. Biden is a racist bootlicker in his own right. Democrats will sell the rope to the Republicans that they will use to hang them with.
So, giving more funding to cops is the exact same thing as the culture war Republicans have drummed up. Huh, interesting take. Also interesting to note that the one person you mentioned who is actually moderate at best is the sole representation of the entire Democrat party. No nuance and no other ideas are allowed. Just Biden’s. Got it.
More or less. Who do you think fights on the frontline of the " culture wars " ? And yes, Biden is the leader. He represents the party. You wouldn’t make such foolish defenses for Trump or the GOP, but will for democrats.
Downvoters without commenting their dissent are just cowards, I wasn’t expecting good anti imperialist takes from lemmyworld anyhow
which is why im very surprised someone like you is here, your voice is a rock in a storm, I thank you.
The dems have also continued building the wall, opening several large oil extraction projects, and have ended any response to the still very active covid crisis.
But libs will take the lies at face value without doing anything to look at the actual actions being taken. After BLM most democrat mayors increased police spending and cracked down on all BLM movements. BLM failed, it was co-opted into a useless saying and hashtag. The dems exist to break the american left and turn everyone into mindless liberals.
Mother Anarchy loves her sons, and daughters too.
Because they appropriated the words of Malcom X and Martin Luther without ever actually reading what they said about America!
Anarchy is our mother! She cannot be sold! Long live the rebellious souls!
Gotta love whataboutism