Uncharted territory: do AI girlfriend apps promote unhealthy expectations for human relationships?::Chatbots such as Eva AI are getting better at mimicking human interaction but some fear they feed into unhealthy beliefs around gender-based control and violence
Isn’t there a rule about when headlines ask a question the answer is ‘no’?
Is the answer no?
I would guess for most people it’s no. However, I would also expect this to appeal to the people where the answer is more likely to be yes. Those people are also the most vulnerable to the incel messaging though, which that will absolutely promote unhealthy expectations for relationships, so is this a net positive or negative? Idk.
Cunningham’s Law
I’m pretty sure Cunningham’s Law says that energy is conserved in a closed physical system
No FAP November is right around the corner.
That’s Cumminghand’s Law!
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I’d say a closer analogue is fast food. It’s social interaction and companionship with zero effort or barriers. Alone, fast food doesn’t create unhealthy eating habits, but it will lead to more people to develop unhealthy habits.
I would also worry about the privacy aspects, as people tend to reveal pretty personal information to each other inside of relationships. What happens when somebody reveals something illegal to an AI chatbot partner? Suddenly your partner is ratting you out to the cops, which admittedly could happen in real life anyways, but in general how much privacy do you really have. It’s kind of niche audience for now I guess, but I suspect when this function gets merged with RealDoll form factors is when this whole artificial girlfriend will really take off. At that point, when the choice becomes whether you go hunting for a real human girl who is difficult to please, unpredictable, doesn’t always do what you want, doesn’t share all your likes/fetishes, etc VS just getting an AI girlfriend that can be anything you want them to be and won’t say no to anything, I think it’s easy to see the route that many will go.
<insert Futurama ‘Don’t have sex with robots’ video>
Actually the thing about it being used to catch nefarious actors could be a good thing. We could use this to catch pedos and drug traffickers.
One, I don’t think AI RealDolls are gonna be catching drug traffickers lol, and two, there’s probably a rather uncomfortable question to be seriously discussed about whether it’s wrong for pedos to have an AI relationship doll.
Even if we find it gross, is it wrong if they aren’t hurting anyone? That said, it’s still secondary to the whole “ignoring all privacy to scan for possible crime” and the debate of whether we should even be treating drugs as a criminal issue instead of a medical one. You’re basically arguing that we should secretly put cameras in everyone’s homes so we can catch all the nefarious actors. Cameras that are watching all of us every time we have sex.
No, not cameras in people’s homes but just the website reporting this. The issue with the pedo is that we could use it to look for a pedo that seemed to want the doll to be more like a child (which of course the doll should refuse) but it could use algorithms to predict who is a pedo. If they hadent commited a crime yet we could still keep an eye on them so if they did (via the internet for example) we could catch them easier)
And I don’t think that drug trafficking is ever treated as a medical issue. I’m not suggesting we use the dolls to catch people just doing drugs (even if we think it ought to be illegal) but specifically traffickers. Often people will admit to selling drugs rather openly. And there are many low level drug traffickers who aren’t doing much besides selling them at a street corner. I mean we could use dolls to figure who those figures were.
If they hadent commited a crime yet we could still keep an eye on them so if they did (via the internet for example) we could catch them easier)
There are so many dystopian stories based on this concept. You’re literally advocating for a police state level of monitoring, so that the government knows so much about you that they can suspect you of crimes that haven’t even been committed yet. What happens when investigations start with people flagged for “suspicious” data as determined by black box algorithms that nobody really knows how they handle the data they were trained on.
And drug use is treated as a medical issue in a handful of countries, where instead of making them illegal and pushing them underground, they let people get their heroin tested for purity, get clean needles for free, and shoot up at clinics. It prevents overdoses, ensures vulnerable users are regularly in contact with clinical staff, and makes it easier to help people struggling with addiction. I also fail to see how sex dolls will help catch drug traffickers in a way that would be different from just having everyone’s phones or computers spy on them.
Because having the computers spy on them would be illegal. This is willingly giving your data to them rather then something spying. The servers store the data and they would be used to catch the people. But if you did it from your phone then it would be very hard to do because of legality. If you data is flagged for suspicious activity then you can be investigated. What has a person to fear if they haven’t committed a wrongdoing
Bro, how do you think the things would spy on people, if they don’t have computers in them? You’re just splitting hairs because you think it’s moral to spy on everyone through a sextoy with an internet connection instead of any other computing device with an internet connection, just because it isn’t illegal yet.
The whole “those with nothing to fear have nothing to hide” bullshit falls apart when used on you. You may not have anything to hide, but I doubt you’d be happy to let law enforcement watch you masturbate, or sleep, or shower, because you don’t have anything to hide. Invite them in to record you talking to friends and family to ensure you aren’t communicating about crimes. Sure, you might not have anything to “hide” right now, but there’s plenty of things you don’t want to share, and you never know what the government is going to be like in the future. Imagine an extremist party gets to power and you hold freely recorded views antithetical to their beliefs? Or you or a family member jokes about speeding or shoplifting and now you’re flagged as under suspicion for criminal activity, a preferential suspect for any unsolved crimes geographical near them because breaking the law once makes you more likely to break it again.
Silently watching everything people do isn’t some zero cost activity. It’s people watching you, your kids, your friends, your family, at all moments of their lives and if you don’t think it’ll be abused then you’re out of your mind.
Because the bot would be the same way as a real girlfriend. Good people would turn in a pedo or drug trafficker and so a good bit ought to do the same. This isn’t spying on someone but emulating that. None of this is about spying on people all the time but just what they tell their girlfriend
The influencer and podcaster stuff seems worse - women really think that $100k is like a minimum salary, the “princess treatment”, etc. - like feminism has changed from being about women being able to contribute to society in the same ways as men (science and engineering, etc.) to insane expectations.
Maybe you are hanging out in the wrong communities, but that sounds like incel bullshit to me.
there were golddiggers before feminism, there is no causality.
You just can’t ignore the rate of prevelance like it’s nothing.
Yes, gold diggers have more-or-less always been around, but they used to be uncommon and the butt of jokes. Now they’re mainstream and celebrated.
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I’m afraid you’ve got it exactly backwards. What you’re describing isn’t feminism, it’s patriarchy.
I think a lot of people who aren’t familiar with feminist thought have a mistaken idea that anything that promotes female social status or harms male social status is feminism. But the patriarchy is really designed for the benefit of the wealthiest most privileged men, not all men. This princess trope is a perfect example, as it excludes men who are not able to provide that level of material support from forming relationships with women who hold such views, and reserves more options for wealthy men.
The irony of course is that many of the men who would most benefit from feminism have been tricked into thinking it is the cause of their struggles, when it is more likely to be the solution.
Feminism has a “no true scotsman” problem. Pop feminism can very much be “whatever promotes female social status,” and even within academic feminism there’s squabbles between schools of feminism.
Fair point. It is true that there are some schools of feminist thought that are more outright hostile to men’s interests, but they don’t have much prominence in recent times. Maybe it’s a bias from the circles I am involved in, but my perception is that the dominant forms recently are highly inclusive and egalitarian.
This is incel shit
I think at that point you’ve kinda given up on human to human based relationship so it’s moot
If it prevents school mass shootings, I’m all for it.
To me the concept of an app optimised to create deep emotional attachment ( far beyond social media, or even para social relationships with online personalities ) for monetary gain, is sketchy at best - heavily dystopian vibes at worst.
It is.
Sarah Z made a video where she gets into some of the darker parts of Replika’s concept and evolution. It’s a fairly stinky business model.
Too long and not my style. But I think you just need a bit of imagination to see the problems that will arise - especially with how many frustrated young guys seem to be out there.
ya think?
But also it will make shit ton of money.
