Fed’s new instant payment system could be trouble for PayPal, Venmo::The Fed’s goal is to connect 9,000 financial institutions nationwide.
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In other countries the incentive is to get you to pay your taxes, in the US the incentive is to get you to pay tax filing companies.
For those that don’t know in the US even if you use a third party system the final settlement of the money still has to go through the Fed and it’s usually as either a Wire or an ACH transaction. ACH is slow and batch processes which can be daily. Wire can be quicker but more expensive. Some banks give you access to funds sooner but it’s still not settled until that NACHA batch file goes through the Fed.
Anyway there are two instant payment systems coming to the US: RTP (by the Automated Clearing House (ACH)) and FedNow.
Outside the US they’ve already had other instant payment systems.
Yes after a decade of living in Europe I can only say, “fucking finally!”
This is wild. Here in the UK we just transfer money from bank to bank in an instant using the banks own app.
Same here in Canada, e-transfer with 0 fees is pretty normal.
It’s been a while since I did it but you can authorize it so all e-transfers are automatically accepted and deposited. I can’t think of a scenario where that would be a bad thing.
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While I’ve used PayPal for, holy shit, decades… my recent need to move cash around with my Gen Z children caused me to venture into Venmo and CashApp. While I’m skeptical of the proper execution of anything new the federal government introduces, I can’t imagine they could create a WORSE experience than these new-age, middle-man processors. I’ve had to call my bank more times in the last two weeks to unlock fraud alerts than I have in the past twenty years. Then, after doing that, the damned processors themselves start declining $5 transactions for no apparent reason. I’d sooner poke myself in the eye than try to make a payment.
Venmo is owned by PayPal.
While that is true, I have also had issues with Venmo that I have never had with PayPal. I have no clue what the back-end difference is, but I stopped using Venmo after they decided a small payment to a friend was suspicious and locked my account. Meanwhile, payments to that same friend via PayPal have been fine.
I’ve been locked out of my PayPal since 2005. On their end my account is somehow both locked and nonexistent, creating a loop of error messages. Last time I tried to have a real human fix it they basically shrugged, and that was about 7 years ago haha
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Welcome to 2003!
-Signed: Canada.
Finally, it’s ridiculous we have to pay fees to a private company just to easily transfer money.
Finger crossed it’ll be compatible with IBAN/SWIFT banking so we can actually be a part of the International community.
Honestly, once it reaches critical mass. It will mean the end of PayPal, Venmo et al AND the credit card industry as a whole.
I think between rewards and actual credit, credit cards will probably be fine, but I’m curious if you think this solves for either of these use cases.
Yeah I’m failing to see how this replaces either of those benefits…
Credit card rewards are really not worth it. These programs are largely funded by the fees that are charged to merchants which are ultimately passed on to you at time of purchase.
I would much rather have reduced costs of goods rather than have paltry credit card reward programs.
Ok, but if this new payment model takes over and there are no fees to merchants, I’m very skeptical those savings will be passed on to buyers. I think at this point credit card processing is pretty well priced in.
Probably right for most big box stores or multibillion dollar businesses. But you would be surprised how thin the margins are for local grocery stores. That 3-5% in processing could be used to compete or undercut big box competitors that price in the credit/debit card fee.
I think with the right approach (small businesses first) it could see high adoption. Plus it would make it slightly more attractive in setting up shop in places that wouldn’t otherwise get any attention (ie, food deserts)
Why would this mean the end to the credit card industry…?
Processing transactions with credit cards incurs fees from middlemen and unnecessarily complicates the merchant-buyer relationship. The merchant ends up paying these fees and ultimately passes this cost to the consumer in the form of a 3-5% or more markup of goods. In some cases, even cash customers are paying the hidden markup as well.
With FedNow, this has the potential to bypass all of this messiness and severely undercut debit and credit card processing networks. Thus slowly bleeding them out of market share.
I can definitely see a new market segment of payment processing which disrupts the existing status quo. Could very easily cover expenses of running the operation on a shoe string budget, charge 1-2 cents per transaction, and become profitable in just under a year (assuming high adoption).
In the end, smaller merchants are able to compete or in some cases undercut bigger stores since they are saving money on CC fees. Consumer has the benefit of more competition in the market and getting that better price. Overall decreased cost of living.
Most of this doesn’t address my specific question, but this sounds a lot more like you expect a diversification/fragmentation of the credit card industry rather than the “end” that was posed originally. Regardless of transactional fees, credit cards would continue to provide their basic function of providing access to credit and people would still desire it.
We have similar system in Europe, cc and debit cards, PayPal (And similar) payment processors remain popular.
I doubt it will hit the credit card industry that much. We have something like this in Canada, Interac, and credit cards are alive and well. They may actually prefer this, because people who keep zero balances may be less inclined to use credit cards instead of debit cards and there may be a larger market of businesses with card-processing capability to cater to those who have debit cards but don’t have the credit to obtain credit cards.
- Laughs in Indian UPI
UPI is the best mode of payment. I doubt anyone can change my mind.
UPI and ONDC are two great things that India has. The latter still needs lot’s of development and attention though.
I would add Digilocker as well. Completed removed my need for a wallet. But it’s not as great as these 2
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