The ur-gooner

Jesus Christ

Lmao well you sure don’t use the actual definition of genocide

[T]he ICJ ruled on Friday that it will not address whether Russia violated the 1948 Genocide Convention by using what Ukraine says were trumped-up genocide charges as a pretext for the war, even if the invasion may have violated international law broadly.

Instead, the case will proceed to assess whether Ukraine committed genocide in the eastern parts of the country, as Russia claims – a matter where judges ruled that they have jurisdiction.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/2/icj-rules-that-it-will-hear-part-of-ukraine-russia-genocide-case

massive fragile ego, frankly horrible, acting shitty, basic fucking table stakes

you come across as hostile

Go back to reddit

If you can take a moment to move your massive, fragile ego out of the way

Lmao do you think of yourself as a professional?

This will be something that’s derided as a wild conspiracy for 30 years until the CIA posts an old doc on their official website that confirms it matter-of-factly

On a more positive note, the time between speculation like this and hard proof emerging seems to be plummeting. Bushnell was not the only person inside the machine struggling with the consequences of his actions, so hopefully we get some leaks sooner rather than later.

What you’re doing here is interpreting any evidence as supportive of the conclusion you chose at the beginning. You’re making that conclusion unfalsifiable.

If Russia said he died of natural causes, you’d say they’re lying. Ukraine says the same thing, well this blood clot must be evidence of torture. Why Ukraine wouldn’t jump on that interpretation if it was at all plausible is left unanswered. If he was struck by lightning you’d say Putin used him to test a new superweapon.

So you didn’t read the first half of the headline, either!

He wasn’t killed, he died from a blood clot. Even Ukraine isn’t entertaining speculation that Russia killed him.

You’re saying Ukraine’s intelligence chief is wrong? Smdh just what a Russian bot would say

This is magical thinking. “If the enemy were to simply disappear, everything would be fixed.”

You have to engage with the reality of the situation.

I agree that Ukraine’s allies tanking immediate peace talks was criminal

And thats on record

Got a good link handy?

I won’t pretend every single bit was 100% legit, but you don’t pretend that every single bit was 100% stolen.

“Your honor, I only stole some of what I’m accused of stealing, not all of it” is not a great defense

“No country is fully independent” says nothing about whether Israel is properly classified as a colony. It’s a platitude.

a right to exist

Another platitude. What do you mean by this? Israel’s current actions are indefensible. Many of its past actions are indefensible. Its policy of neither recognizing a Palestinian state nor granting equal citizenship to Palestinians is indefensible. It must either fundamentally change or be replaced by a government worth supporting, like South Africa before it.

It certainly does not have a right to continue existing in its current form, no more than Nazi Germany did.

Your point?

Israel is making it’s own decisions and will happily shrug off any criticism from the Western powers

There has been zero sincere criticism from the West. If you circumvent Congress to give Israel more money and openly state you are unconditionally supporting it, I don’t buy it if you leak a story about being furious with them behind closed doors. You shouldn’t, either.

the vast majority of its citizens don’t have citizenship in any other country and have literally nowhere else to go. Therefore it’s not a colony

It directly refutes this.

If you’re leaning on Israel being formally independent, they’re about as independent from the West (particularly the U.S.) as a college freshman getting their tuition paid by Mom and Dad. No one here is talking about Israel being independent on paper, we’re talking about how it interacts with other countries in reality.

When the British expelled criminals to Australia they couldn’t return home. Was Australia not a colony? A ton of European immigrants to the American colonies intended their journeys to be one-way trips, and were functionally barred from returning by cost. Does that mean there were no colonies in the Americas?

Besides, throughout history you almost never see settlers leaving en masse when colonial administrations end. Sure, some recent arrivees may turn around, and some administrators who moved there mostly to work in the colonial government may leave, but you really never see the main body of settlers leave. You didn’t even have this in South Africa. They simply have to live under a government where they can’t shoot the locals with impunity.

Let’s set aside the multiple issues with “I think one of my distant ancestors lived here 2000 years ago, or maybe just other members of my religious group, therefore I have a right to live here today” and assume that yes, that sort of historical/ancestral claim gives comtemporary Jewish people a right to live in Palestine. Even in the most generous light imaginable, it would not give them a right to build an ethnostate by committing genocide on the current inhabitants. Israel is so far past anything that could be reasonably granted from ancient Jews living in Palestine that there is no possible defense along those lines.

Or are we strictly talking about western powers giving the Jewish people a ‘homeland’ after the second world war and the holocaust?

Yes, that’s what people mean when they refer to Israel as a colony of Europe/the U.S.

That’s right, they should be. They aren’t doing so because it’s in the interest of the U.S. to continue the war, and the Ukrainian government more or less exists at the pleasure of the U.S.