The liberal fear of these concepts and fear of showing these beliefs is part of why establishment liberals have become such bad orators and such weak and unconvincing political parties.
These concepts have to be harnessed, that’s just the nature of drawing in the middle of politics.
Politics is a luxury to focus on, there are huge swaths of work a day people who don’t and can’t focus on it. They need certain messages as short hand for doing the “right thing” - that’s just how politics is, not everyone can afford to live with the burden of political awareness, it’s not necessary healthy.
You have to give the devil it’s dues, and do so willingly and happily. That’s just how political campaigns are under this system.
It’s from a bit he does about solar powered planes, but everything is old and tired now, so he’s just skipping parts like a broken record, or mentally degenerating flesh monster finally in its dying stages.