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  • GiantRobotTRex@lemmy.sdf.org
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    Who defined that term? The radio stations. Artists and labels typically do not use that label, it’s primarily the radio stations.

    When classic rock stations started to appear in the '80s, they played popular hits from the '60s–'80s. So it included newly released hits. But when grunge came into the scene in the '90s, it had a different audience than the classic rock stations so they stopped including new hits. For about two decades there, it was fairly unambiguous that classic rock meant popular rock from the '60s–'80s.

    After enough time though, grunge was no longer alienating to the classic rock stations listeners. The opposite became true and the stations could increase their audience by including hits from the '90s.

    This raises the question: Did those '90s songs become classic rock or is the term fixed and anything not considered classic rock now never going to be considered classic rock? Who gets to define it? The radio stations who originally defined it or the public perception that developed during the period of time when classic rock stopped evolving?

    Personally, I prefer to think of classic rock as a radio format rather than a genre, because it doesn’t really behave like a normal genre. If I start a band that sounds like metal then my band is metal, but if I start a band that sounds like classic rock it’s still not classic rock? Why? That feels out of the spirit of music genres to me. There are music movements that are tied to a specific time period—my band could never be part of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal—but it could be in the same genre as those bands.

    In terms of music style, how are AC/DC and Billy Joel considered the same genre? They’re wildly different. The Who and The Doors? Very different.

    The reason those bands are considered classic rock is not because they sound similar, it’s because they target similar audiences. As a radio format, it makes way more sense why some bands are considered classic rock and some aren’t.






  • It’s contextual. If it’s used in a phone number, it’s a pound sign. If it’s placed before a number, it’s a number sign. If it’s placed before a tag, it’s a hash/hashmark/hashtag.

    No one would pronounce “#foo” as “pound foo” any more than they’d call a #2 pencil a “pound two pencil”. Because “pound” is clearly not the right name in either context.

    Americans have been comfortable using different names for the symbol in different contexts since long before hashtags even existed. So when websites started using them and referred to them as “hashtags”, that was fine. It was a new context so it could use whichever name it wanted. (Well, “octothorpe-tag” is probably far too unwieldy to catch on.)

    Of course if we’re talking about the symbol without a specific context, then we have to pick one of the names. For most Americans, that “default” name is probably still “pound”. Twenty years ago I’d definitely say that, but even then it wasn’t ubiquitous. It wasn’t uncommon to hear it referred to as a hash. And it seems like the use of “pound” has declined and the use of hash has increased as people now spend more time online and less time dialing phone numbers. There’s also a generational divide with older people more likely to say “pound” and younger people more likely to say “hash”.