The parts of Ukraine that have been invaded by Russia have not been liberated, they have been subjugated to the rule of the Kremlin. And as I said before, “elections” in Russia are rigged. It’s not just ballot stuffing, it’s also the fact that genuine opposition candidates aren’t allowed to stand for election.

And as far as I understand, Zelenskyy and Poroshenko were both pretty pro-EU all along.

I don’t know why you’re going on about a “nazi problem” when Russia has plenty of far-right activists themselves.

The key point though is that it’s up to the people of Ukraine to decide if they want referendums. It’s not for an imperialist power like Russia to impose their own demands that Ukraine should hold referendums.

If Ukrainians wanted another leader like Yanukovych then they could have elected one in 2014 or 2019, but they didn’t.

Maybe Ukraine should have another election but it would be difficult when much of their land is illegally occupied by Russia.

Liberated regions like Kherson, liberated from the Russian invaders? Maybe they have had local elections, I dunno.

I think it would be good if the Donbas and Crimea could democratically decide their future, but I don’t believe the referendums held by Putin’s regime, given that the Russian regime rigs elections (that video shows ballot stuffing in Russia).

I don’t see how Ukraine, or Ukrainian far-right elements, provoked the war. The war was begun by Russia who sent their troops (illegally of course) into Crimea and the Donbas in 2014.

In 2022 I think a lot of Ukrainians definitely did want to fight back and many people signed up for the military. They didn’t want Russia conquering their country.

Wanting freedom from the dictator in Moscow is not idiotic.

People on /pol/ quite often post views which are actually leftist, but they hate brown people so much that they can’t bring themselves to abandon the far-right.

If the bribes/threats aren’t public then why are you sure they happened?

Boris Johnson… went to Kyiv to bribe and threaten Zelensky into backing out

What did he bribe/threaten Zelenskyy with? I thought what he said to Zelenskyy was “decide what you want, and the UK will support your decision either way”.

I guess ideally Biden should never have run for a second term, and they could have had proper primaries.

Fair points. Biden won enough men in 2020 though. Maybe Kamala was just seen as too leftist or too focused on women’s issues or something… I’m not saying she was those things, but maybe some people saw her that way.

Fair. Maybe voters cared about personalities though. And they thought Kamala was partly responsible for rising prices under Biden’s term, so maybe they weren’t as bothered by other policy areas.

True. Maybe Harris should have focused more on working class endorsements, union endorsements, etc. I dunno.

Perhaps these two factors contributed to this:

1. Harris is a woman and maybe some Americans just don’t want a female president
2. Harris maybe leaned too hard on celebrity endorsements, at a time when Americans are feeling worse-off financially, which perhaps made her seem out of touch to middle America

The UK has also denied entry for people in similar cases. Some right-wing activists were denied entry in 2018.

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You accuse others of racism but you’re racist yourself. Talking about stereotypes that “you people” hold. You’re generalising across westerners, and perhaps you mean white people in general.

Anyway, there is nothing morally wrong at all with objecting to the PRC government.

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Criticising a government is not racism.

Why do you assume that Chinese tech isn’t back-doored by the Chinese Communist Party?

There seem to be multiple different cases of the PRC trying to hack the West.