• Habahnow@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    right… more like that first line is: Genocide bad so don’t vote for democrats.
    Many left voters agree genocide is bad, we can vote for Democrats while also protesting and reaching out to our reps to stop the genocide.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOPM
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      3 months ago

      That’s like saying oh yeah my friend is a serial killer, but at least he doesn’t beat his family. Besides, I will tell him how upset I am about all the murdering he’s doing next time we go out for beers.

  • jwiggler@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    3 months ago

    All politicians seek to gain power and uphold the unjust, undemocratic, hierarchical power structures that constrain individual freedom – power structures that are ultimately backed by the monopolization of violence through the police.

    It’s just that one party also wants to use those structures to surveil women’s bodies, ban books, delegitimize science, push religion, and extract capital from natural resources and workers without restriction.

          • jwiggler@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Again, what do you want me to do? Obviously if I could choose someone who would impart a weapons embargo and trade sanctions against Israel, I would. But the choices I have in front of me are a person who, while publicly calling for a ceasefire, sends weapons to an apartheid state that is currently genociding the Palestinian people, and another who will not only certainly still send weapons to that state, but also strengthen ties with it, and urge them to “finish the job.” Do you want me to stay home, and give the latter option a better chance of winning?

            edit: Like idk who’s out here praising Kamala Harris and the rest of the Democratic party for their soft-as-shit stance on Israel, but I still gonna vote for her, because Trump and Republicans wouldn’t only be worse for the Palestinian people, they’d be worse for the US

              • jwiggler@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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                3 months ago

                Dude, if this was your way to try to educate and get people to organize, you’ve gotta do way better. I’m sorry. You can’t essentially accuse folks of supporting genocide and then turn around and try to convert them to Communism lol

                You gotta meet them where they are and introduce it softly to them. They’re not going to understand your anger toward the state for all it’s injustices, because they haven’t seen them yet. You’re fuckin scaring em off

                Besides, I’m not gonna join a political party that is ultimately going to be just another top down hierarchical structure. I’d prefer the decision making in my commune to be bottom-up.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOPM
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                  3 months ago

                  The party you’re voting for is committing a literal genocide in which many thousands of people have been massacred already. You have absolutely no shame. There is no educating people like you.

                  Besides, I’m not gonna join a political party that is ultimately going to be just another top down hierarchical structure. I’d prefer the decision making in my commune to be bottom-up.

                  What you’re really saying there is that you prefer people who do genocide to continue to hold power while you fantasize about your utopia.

  • Sharkwellington@lemmy.one
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    3 months ago

    Who are you voting for?

    I’m voting for Kamala Harris.

    EDIT:

    Not a single Grad or Hexbear user has given me a real answer. I really don’t know how you expect to persuade people of your beliefs when you’re this scared to have a serious conversation.

        • Black_Mald_Futures [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
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          3 months ago

          the past hundred plus years of electoral politics really beg for the concept to be taken seriously, imagine voting in the most important election of your lifetime every 2-4 years for your entire life only to watch things get progressively worse anyway even when the “good” guys win, because even their best and wildest pipe dream policies if enacted amounted to about jack and shit

          can’t wait for the hope and joy Harris/Walz administration to finally forgive student loan debt for a small subset of borrowers who open and run a business in a disadvantaged community for 3 years! can you imagine being one of the three dozen people that amazing legislation would help??

          oh, wait, I’m sorry, the parliamentarian is probably going to tell them ‘no you can’t do that’ again and we will just have to grin and bear it, for the sake of civility

          • Sharkwellington@lemmy.one
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            3 months ago

            I take the concept seriously, but not you clowns.

            If you cared about leftism as much as you cared about proper communication maybe people would listen to what you have to say.

            But unfortunately you spam memes and reaction images instead of having a proper discussion and everybody tunes you out.

                • Hestia [comrade/them, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                  3 months ago

                  If you want to vote for someone who supports genocide, you do you pal. Maybe someday you’ll realize that democracy in America is a sham and voting doesn’t matter. But that requires doing the bare minimum amount of your own research, which you seem to be vehemently opposed to.

                  I recommend reading Noam Chomsky’s manufacturing consent. Once you understand how you’re manipulated by the government and media, then you may be ready for some communist theory.