Straight forward question. If leftist hate the Democratic Party so much, why don’t they all come together and create their own party. Have their own primaries, campaigns, candidates, etc.
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short answer: the u.s. have a winner takes all voting system. splitting the left/liberal would ensure victory for the right.
Are you sure. I feel like leftist talking points and leftist figures are more popular with right wingers than people think. They just hate democrats. You don’t think the right’s base would be effective after 4 years of trump with another party there to vote for?
Yes. It is absolutely certain. Ballot access legislation is controlled in each state by the two major parties.
Wouldn’t their dislike for Democrats transfer over to any leftist party as well? The right’s propaganda machine will label them the same way.
They seem to like Bernie.
While correct, Republicans are stupid. I don’t mean that to be mean, they are, at best, low information and deeply disengaged with something they have very strong feelings about. They vote based on vague vibes instead of anything sensible. A rich leftist might be able to save the next generation, but the current Republicans are completely lost.
Damn, I got downvoted into oblivion. I guess the left dosent want right wingers in their tent, lol.
While correct, Republicans are stupid.
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They vote based on vague vibes instead of anything sensible.
Irrelevant side note: irony is absolutely my favourite thing in life.
A rich leftist …
No such thing.
First past the post:
They’d be handing the extremists on the right an easier win. They need enough energy to grab the Democratic party by the balls.
Basically, you need a voting system that goes “choice number one: Bernie, choice number two: Kamala” etc. At that point, go nuts.
The easiest switch is Approval Voting, which every tabulation machine in America can handle right now without any issue. Plus, it’s very easy to adapt to Sequential Proportional Approval Voting, and proportional representation is the thing that will actually break up the two party system.
Two party monopoly.
Yep.
On my voting ballet, I had 7 people running for presidency from seven DIFFERENT political parties. Yet the news only talks about two (well three… Fucking Jill Stein.)
We have a billionaire class that controls the media.
It’s a turducken of hopelessness.
Turkey layer: Most of the United States has a first-past-the-post winner-take-all system of voting. There’s a great if old video by GCP Grey about this where he uses the animal kingdom as a somewhat cartoonish example. That if you start out with a cheetah, a tiger, an owl, a turtle, a gorilla and a chimpanzee all running for the office of King Of The Jungle, and all animals vote for their species, gorilla ends up elected with 19% of the vote. So 81% of the animals in the jungle now have a king they didn’t vote for. So the owl and the turtle drop out of the race, now you’ve got two cat parties and two ape parties, those who would prefer owl or turtle win have to either pick one of those to vote for or none at all. Then Cheetah voters get an idea: Yeah we’d like the Cheetah candidate to win, but Tiger is more likely to win than Cheetah, and we’d prefer Tiger to either of the two ape parties. So what if we vote for Tiger instead? The vote goes 40% to Tiger, 30% Gorilla, 30% Chimpanzee. More animals voted for apes but the tiger won because the apes split their votes across two candidates. This is called the Spoiler Effect, and you can see it in real life if you look at certain races in red states where a Democrat won pretty much entirely because a Libertarian ran and some people who would have otherwise voted Republican voted yellow instead of red.
Forming your own political party that is further to an extreme than one of the two major ones means handing more elections to the opposite side.
Duck layer: That assumes you’re allowed to create a party in the first place. Yes, the right to peacefully assemble enshrined in the first amendment of the constitution means that groups of people can hold meetings and say they’re the Leftist Party and whatnot, but the Republican and Democrat parties have inserted themselves into the workings of our government in much the same way a tick does. They have control over things like who gets to put candidates on ballots. “As duly elected person who decides these things, I decide to do things in the way that keeps me in power and you out of power.”
Chicken layer: A Leftist party is going to meet exactly once, the meeting will immediately devolve into a hair pulling match over identity politics and no platform will be built or second meeting scheduled. The American Left can do nothing but argue about whether it’s feminist or not to hate trans women or which ethnicity should the group feel most offended in behalf of?
You can’t get more than 50% of popular support without compromise. The people who hate the democratic party to the point they’d rather organise a new party are A: too few and B: bad at compromising
But if you believe in it go for it.
Just make sure that you give up and endorse the democrats if you’re polling lower than 50%, or you’ll be an effective supporter of Trump
Nah, I don’t agree with. Just wondering why they don’t.
Most Americans don’t bother with learning the history of how power has been consolidated from the local to the state, state to federal, and to the federal executive. They don’t know that it just takes 5% of their general election vote for President to bypass ballot access obstructionism nationally, to put a new platform on every ballot. They choose not to understand how a third party choice is probably more valuable if it repeatedly does not win.
None of it’s super-complicated. The vast majority of us Americans just don’t really give a fuck. We like to talk about how much we care. Then we risk nothing, sacrifice nothing, trust no one. It’s just pillow talk, baby.
They do, but money is the only thing that matters in US elections.
Combine donations.
There already are multiple leftist parties in the US. The Green Party is the main one, but there are others.
The issue is that they don’t get much press coverage, and a lot of people use the argument that if leftists split off from the Democrats and divide, then the Republicans will win. That keeps a lot of people from voting for those parties.
Your greens are heavily compromised, if I’m not mistaken.
Jill Stein has had dinner with Putin, so yeah, just a wee bit.
no, she didn’t.
There are “actual” leftist parties in the US.
Huh?
Even Leftists hate other Leftists due to the aggrandizing resource depleting insufferability of micro causes
Please explain like I’m five.
Because leftists hate each other almost as much as they hate “libs”. They can’t organise shit.
True
