• Dellpeanuts5@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    7
    ·
    1 day ago

    I love organic maps, sometimes I practice navigation by turning location off and using a compass with the downloaded map on my phone.

  • lumony@lemmings.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    55
    ·
    2 days ago

    Everyone who is censored, everyone who abuses their mod powers; it just creates an opportunity for people to pick up the slack and create better communities.

    You only have yourselves to blame, dickhead mods.

    • lumony@lemmings.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      41
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      2 days ago

      American here, please do this.

      All of our companies are run by scumbags taking advantage of useful idiots. We need more options and legitimate competition.

    • rice@lemmy.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      2 days ago

      Especially github. I thought all of you were supposed to leave that when microsoft bought it. I never used it but I definitely wouldn’t these days…

  • unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    23
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    why is Organic Street Maps better than the other ones, that claim to be Open Street Maps derived?

    bandwidth is not disposable ya’ll.

          • Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 day ago

            Organic Maps is definitely easier to use, especially for new users but OsmAnd is more powerful. I have both and they’re awesome.

            • raptir@lemmy.zip
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              23 hours ago

              I wish there was some way to share the assets since they use the same base data. I use osmand because I find it better for hiking and route planning to send to my watch, but would use organic as well if I I didn’t need to keep two copies of the maps.

      • unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        2 days ago

        that’s enough for me, except are the other ones not good?

        downloading maps for offline – you nuts? how does anyone profit from the clicks?

          • unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            2 days ago

            that is an extra plus feature i always wanted from a “smart” phone - offline maps. i spent money on some of those apps back when it was kicking off and a very few of them were actually helpful, like showing me actual USGS topo maps.

            would not have helped me that much for survival on my Hawaiian big island fuckabout, because even the big island is not big enough to get truly lost. i tried!

            eventually I went downhill on the volcano towards the ocean for a day or two until cell reception and called my girlfriend and told her I hit my head pretty hard and she should come get me.

            still the maps would have been super interesting. also, Red River Gorge, and all the southwestern N. America desert.

    • Blackmist@feddit.uk
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      81
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      One of their main contributors are in US sanctioned regions (Russia) so they can’t access it.

        • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          91
          arrow-down
          12
          ·
          2 days ago

          Russia is being sanctioned because of its aggressive war against Ukraine.

          Microsoft aren’t the bad guys for enforcing international sanctions.

          • Helkriz@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            6
            arrow-down
            11
            ·
            2 days ago

            So what about the organic map users. They should ban the contributor if they need to ban it soo bad.

            • unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              5
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              2 days ago

              that’s practically impossible. TOR is alive and well, as if any rando in any country sanctioned by the u.s. cares.

              of course they could Great China Firewall the shit out of everything and still fail.

              but we’re on the downward spiral, so be gleeful!

          • yuriRO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            21
            arrow-down
            35
            ·
            2 days ago

            So a person that happens to be iving in a sanctioned country, makes them banned? Bullshit

            • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              69
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              edit-2
              2 days ago

              Yes. That’s how sanctions work.

              Part of the intention is to pressure citizens of the country for violating international law so they exert pressure on their governments to stop.

              Another part is to remove the use of tooling to support the sanctioned nation.

              Russia could stop the war and problem is solved. This isn’t Microsoft being the bad guy, this is Microsoft following international law.

              • planish@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                6
                arrow-down
                24
                ·
                2 days ago

                Does that work?

                Is it right to tell random people “hey you, it’s your job to break local laws and topple your dictator, we could invade you with actual trained military people but that would be inconvenient for us”?

                • keegomatic@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  16
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  2 days ago

                  “Is it right?” Are you kidding? Yes, it’s obviously a better alternative than invading another country and killing people. It’s one of the ways we have learned, as a species, to avoid massive wars and losses of life. If you’re advocating for war as an alternative then you should fuck off and die so you don’t get other people killed in the process.

                • Chaotic Entropy@feddit.uk
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  7
                  arrow-down
                  3
                  ·
                  2 days ago

                  Is a strictly enforced economic sanction better than an all out regime change invasion/occupation of another sovereign country that costs the lives of millions… we’ll have to get back to you on that one.

                • lumony@lemmings.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  6
                  arrow-down
                  14
                  ·
                  2 days ago

                  No, it’s not right.

                  People on these forums have been conditioned to see the world through their fairytale-lens and nothing else, though.

                  A part of oppression is removing people’s ability to fight back. Anyone who holds the average Russian responsible for the war is just playing into the hands of the cabal. It’s like they never heard of Navalny, or any other Russian dissenters.

                  These people need our help. We shouldn’t victim-blame them and say they need to topple a dictator all on their own.

                  Same goes for North Korea.

            • Lit@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              10
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              2 days ago

              yes, that is the purpose of sanction. to target the lowest rung of society for supporting and promoting the invasion of Ukraine.

            • Blackmist@feddit.uk
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              13
              ·
              2 days ago

              I assume most Russian GitHub users use a VPN to avoid it. He has chosen not to in order to make a point.

              The real worry is what happens when the US declares sanctions on random allies in their stupid “trade war”…

              • Chaotic Entropy@feddit.uk
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                8
                ·
                2 days ago

                Once the US starts saying that nobody who trades with the US can deal with Canada, Denmark, Mexico, etc… then it starts to get interesting.

                • philpo@feddit.org
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  5
                  ·
                  2 days ago

                  Or if the US fucks up enough for the rest of the world to put a UNO reverse card on the US. If China and the EU do that, the US is fucked within a few months. A “you can’t trade with either of these markets when you trade with the US” would be interesting.

                  And tbh, from what I gather it’s absolutely a option that is being discussed in diplomatic circles. The main reason it’s not on the table is the huge amount of debts the USA has in China. And the EU will use it as a backup arrow for “further escalation”. Maybe someone should tell Trump who actually delivers the machines for the factories he wants to “bring back”. Hint: It’s not the US.

            • philpo@feddit.org
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              10
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              2 days ago

              Yes,you understand how sanctions work.

              A person living in a sanctioned country can also no longer buy certain things, travel to certain countries or use certain services. You couldn’t buy a Boeing Plane during WW2 in Germany as well…

              And considering that Russia is waging a fucking genocidal war and a hybrid war in Europe and a majority (according to relatively independent statistics) of the population stil supports that shit and has done so for a long time (when they still could have changed course) it’s god damn right these sanctions exist.

              BTW: Cuba is being sanctioned by the US for simply nationalising US held companies (Fidel Castro wasn’t that much of a communist in the beginning) since 1960 and basically none gave or gives a rats ass.

              • lumony@lemmings.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                6
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                2 days ago

                a majority (according to relatively independent statistics) of the population stil supports that shit and has done so for a long time

                Most Russians are afraid to talk about politics at all. Their responses when questioned are either “I agree with what the government is doing” or “I don’t talk politics.”

                We should be strengthening our ties with these oppressed people in order to help them, and help Ukraine as a result. Instead we’re doing the “average intelligence” play of furthering their oppression while funneling money to the MIC.

                This war has been a great example of how many useful idiots are around us.

          • glitchdx@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            27
            arrow-down
            9
            ·
            2 days ago

            when you’re a corporation with billions of dollars and US politicians cost millions on the high end, you can choose to do whatever you want.

            • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              17
              arrow-down
              7
              ·
              2 days ago

              “Microsoft continues to work with Russians despite sanctions due to ongoing war in Ukraine” is probably not a headline they want to see.

              • glitchdx@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                7
                arrow-down
                6
                ·
                2 days ago

                Of course not, but can you say that it’s not convenient for them to stiffle foss alternatives to microsoft/apple/google software? many open source projects are at least partially made by russian developers.

              • glitchdx@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                8
                arrow-down
                7
                ·
                2 days ago

                true, but let’s not pretend that they were without agency in this decision and in decisions leading up to the current context.

                • kava@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  ·
                  2 days ago

                  When the big tech guys showed up to the inauguration and sat in the front row to pay tribute it was such a clear example of how capital always yields to authoritarians.

    • Lit@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      2 days ago

      they were blocked for supporting russia invasion of Ukraine.

      • boonhet@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 day ago

        Source?

        I mean the owners of this “Estonian” company are Russian and Belarussian (company ownership is public record here in Estonia and foreigners can easily start companies), so I wouldn’t be surprised, but I also hate how easily unsubstantiated claims spread on the Internet.

  • Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    213
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    3 days ago

    There is some serious crapitalist hate for organic maps. I never heard of it util is was taken off the play store for a bit. I side loaded it that day.

    • pulsewidth@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      46
      ·
      3 days ago

      Organic Maps is not at feature parity with paid options but it is pretty damn good for FOSS. I use it almost daily for driving around city/suburban Australia and it very rarely gives me bad directions - certainly no more than the paid option i previously used (Sygic).

      • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        28
        ·
        3 days ago

        Its also a really great base project to build on top of. The routing system is a plug in library which can be easily replaced. That means if someone wants to build something that collects and utilizes live data for traffic/construction avoidance they can totally do that. Adding new map layers is also a big one that they made sure is going to be easy to do.

        • eodur@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          ·
          2 days ago

          Has anyone actually created a traffic plugin yet? This is one of the main reasons I use Magic Earth still. I regularly bounce between that, Organic, and OsmAnd. They all have slightly different features.

          • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            edit-2
            2 days ago

            Has anyone actually created a traffic plugin yet?

            The organic team doesnt wanna deal with collecting user data so they wont do it. Getting live location data from millions of people basically requires using and feeding into google services and thats a no go.

            Ofcourse someone else could do it, but thats just a waste of time, if google can cut you off from their API at any point.

            Even if you start your own project, no matter what you do, there will always have to be some company that collects all the data. That company no matter how cool and FOSS will eventually be forced to cooperate with law enforcement and then you are back to what we have now with google.

            Location data is just too sensitive and impossible to anonymize properly.

            • Adiemus@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              6
              ·
              edit-2
              2 days ago

              But isn’t there a possibility to fetch data from official websites (like https://stau.info/ in Germany) around your place? It won’t be as good as google, but better than nothing.

              • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                2 days ago

                As long as it only pulls data and doesnt share any its not as bad. But each of these local services most likely use different APIs and formats, so implementing it wont be so easy. For just large highways its realistic imo, but if you want data for inside cities it becomes impossible.

                If the database of traffic info become so large that it’s impossible to download it all at once it means you have to selectively download data for your location/route which makes it possible to infer user location again.

    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      2 days ago

      It works well, and I’m a huge fan and contributor to Open Street Maps (which it’s bassed on). But it doesn’t do traffic, which is unfortunately wha I need from my navigation apps 99% of the time.

      If they had a paid option to cover the costs of using TomTom’s traffic API, I’d make the switch.

      • Adiemus@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        13
        ·
        2 days ago

        But it is one of the best when it comes to cycling or walking. I’ve been using it for years now.

    • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      2 days ago

      Why would it get removed? Can’t have any competition for Google Maps or what? Well, it won’t get removed on F-droid

  • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    54
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    2 days ago

    We need something like Forgejo, but decentralized and federated, like Lemmy. I don’t want to create a new account for every Forgejo instance, just to be able to report a bug…

    Edit: Added “and federated”

    • hoppolito@mander.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      45
      ·
      3 days ago

      Forgejo is in fact working on being decentralized, just like the underlying git structure is. There are some first federation things in there, but the full implementation is still pretty far out.

      • endofline@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 day ago

        Git is decentralized itself… You don’t even need forgejo to host your changes

    • ftbd@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      27
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      2 days ago

      Git is already decentralized, nothing is stopping you from adding multiple remotes to your repo.

        • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          2 days ago

          Yeah, that was my point in the first comment… But not only that…

          The development with multiple people is decentralized, yes…

          But even, if I add 3 remotes to my repo (1 to GitHub, 1 to Forgejo instance A and 1 to Forgejo instance B), guess what happens, if you don’t have an account on each of these… Try pushing code or making a pull request and see how it fails, because you are not authenticated…

          • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            2 days ago

            SourceHut encourages an e-mail–based workflow that does not require anyone but the repository owner to have an account. In fact, that’s how Git originally worked before GitHub enshittified it.

        • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          2 days ago

          How would decentralization work for an issue tracker? The issues have to be stored somewhere.

    • kaidezee@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      2 days ago

      You know, git initially was that kind of thing where people would send diff commits on mailing lists. Git is perfectly decentralized already. And there’s no need for federation.

      Forgejo is already decentralized too. You could host your own instance right now, if you’d want.

    • karthie@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      2 days ago

      if you are looking for decentralised vcs you can try radicle, I tried a while ago pretty good. FYI Forgejo supports mastodon login

      • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        2 days ago

        FYI Forgejo supports mastodon login

        That’s interesting. Did not even know, Mastodon supported doing something like this…

        There is still a difference: There is no profile in the end. I might create 2 bug reports, bit they won’t be linked to each other.

    • Valmond@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      edit-2
      2 days ago

      Have you heard of … Git?

      :-)

      Edit: I was jesting, got interesting responses!

      • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 days ago

        There is no command git issue create [hostname] [title] [description] and if there was such a command, it’d require authentication on the specific instance to prevent spam.

        You still need to create an account on each Forgejo instance to report a bug there…

        And even, if you commit code or make a pull request… Git might be decentralized (you can develop with your friend independently from each other and merge it), but try to commit code to a GitHub project, GitLab instance or Forgejo instance without having an account there to authenticate yourself… It won’t work.

          • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            8
            ·
            2 days ago

            I’m not sure what you are trying to say.

            My point was from the beginning that I don’t want to create 2 accounts when I report a bug a bug on Forgejo instance 1 and on instance 2.

            The suggestion whether I have heard about git does not solve anything about that…

            Some one else here mentioned that it’s possible to login with Mastodon on each of the instance, which is the correct direction (allows to report a bug on both instances via an external account). Disadvantage is still: My 2 bug reports are not linked to each other, because there is no shared Forgejo profile, which would actually require something like federation.

    • LemonBreezes@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      I think that’s bad (for my personal use) because if I accidentally commit a secret key, how do I claw it back? Basically, how would I claw anything back if it’s on a blockchain aka on thousands/millions of computers already (you can’t).

      • 🇨🇦 holdstrong@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        ·
        2 days ago

        If you push a secret key you should definitely generate a new one. Way to many bots out there that scan new commits for exactly that reason

        • tehfishman@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          2 days ago

          Yeah please just rotate the secret if that happens. Doesn’t matter what platform it is, this is true of GitHub as well. Secrets that are accidentally published are no longer secret.

        • LemonBreezes@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          2 days ago

          Yeah it’s not an insurmountable problem but it has happened to me where I push some commits and I realize “oh lemme remove this code because it leaks a little info about me personally” etc

      • JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        2 days ago

        You can make commits on your system without pushing them to the remote server, and that’s the default behavior.

      • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        2 days ago

        that’s already a concern. what if someone just cloned your repo? there’s also plenty of people that mirror public repos to their personal forgejo server. forgejo makes it very easy.

        the only solution to mitigate such a mistake is to
        1) invalidate the token
        2) remove the commit

        In that order.

      • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        2 days ago

        I did not mean decentralized hosting of the projects (e.g. your project will be on all instances).

        I meant decentralized account usage (e.g. you can use your example.com forgejo account to create an issue on otherexample.org)… Just like Lemmy… I could use my reddthat.com lemmy account to create a post on your instance lemmy.world without having to register there.

    • Elrecoal19@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      2 days ago

      Wouldn’t it be the other way around, having someone centralized so with one account you can report bugs in any public project?

  • gamer@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    41
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    2 days ago

    Anyone have the story behind this? Fuck Microsoft and all that, but Github has historically been pretty good when it comes to not banning people for stupid reasons. Usually, it’s a DMCA thing or a valid security threat.

    Recently, there was some controversy about closed source code powering a component of the project (https://github.com/orgs/organicmaps/discussions/9837) but I didn’t keep up with that. Could this ban be related to that?

      • Ushmel@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        2 days ago

        That’s weird. Russians and Americans aren’t sanctioned from working on projects together. The sanctions are mostly targeted towards industry and defense. Tucker Carlson works for Russian media and freely travels between the two countries. There has to be something more to this, like the IP came from a known state actor.

      • wewbull@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        edit-2
        2 days ago

        Ironically the US is more likely to drop the sanctions before Germany, where Codeberg is based.

        Edit: They’ve gone self hosted. That makes more sense.

          • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            11
            arrow-down
            14
            ·
            2 days ago

            I’m sure there is a lot that the random developer who happened to be born in Russia can do about that.

                • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  6
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  2 days ago

                  Let me give you an analogy.

                  I was born in the People’s Republic of China. I immigrated to the United States of America when I was not even 10. I grew up in America, I grew attached to the principles of Freedom and Democracy. I went through the proper channels and I obtained Citizenship through the proper way. I am an American.

                  If someone were to tell me that I’m “not American”, and that because I was “born Chinese, I must be Chinese for the rest of my life”; or, in your phrasing: “A Chinese person cannot become American” you’d be a xenophobe.

                  Gender is a social contruct. If a man wants to be a woman, or a woman wants to be a man, just let them. Its not denying that they have XX or XY chromosomes, that is what their biology says. But being a “Man” or “Woman” are labels society attributes to those chromosomes, just like the concept of Nationality.

                  TLDR: Please just let people be whoever they want to be. If you start attacking people’s identity, nobody is gonna wanna talk to you. If you want to spread transphobia, you can go to twitter. Enjoy your nazi bar.

                • lumony@lemmings.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  1 day ago

                  Censored for saying:

                  “People get banned for saying men aren’t women. You don’t have a point when mods abuse their power. Looks like my comment was censored for even pointing that out.”

                  Literally just proving me right and the original commenter wrong every time mods abuse their power here.

          • uis@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            2 days ago

            Person: *makes an app for everyone to use*

            Twitter baby: “Racial slurs! Racial slurs!”

  • ZeroOne@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    57
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    edit-2
    2 days ago

    I always kept telling Free-software & OpenSource projects/developers to move to GitLab, Codeberg or SourceHut

    You cannot fight capitalists on a capitalists platform.

    & if you want something that’s even more independent try Fossil

    • boonhet@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      34
      ·
      edit-2
      3 days ago

      Codeberg is a non-profit that has no fees, but accepts donations. They only allow FOSS projects.

      Why would I move away from git if I could just move away from github/lab and keep git?

      • ZeroOne@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        edit-2
        2 days ago

        Are you talking about Fossil ? Fossil’s commands are just like git’s & with the added benefit of having Github’s stuff like wiki & even a forum built into it

        • gamer@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          9
          ·
          2 days ago

          That’s a gimmick that doesn’t justify the costs of switching from Git (IMO)

          If you want decentralized collaboration features in git without using forge software, you can use mailing lists like the Linux kernel does.

    • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      2 days ago

      By what standard is GitLab not a “capitalist platform”? It feels even more corporatey than GitHub. From their homepage:

      GitLab is the most comprehensive AI-powered DevSecOps Platform.

        • rarbg@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 days ago

          Gitlab was created by a Ukrainian, and Microsoft is blocking Organic maps Russian developer due to sanctions due to war on ukraine, which is why what you’re suggesting is pretty cursed

  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    133
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    3 days ago

    Nice!

    I actually recently set up my own Forgejo instance, and it’s remarkably similar to GitHub, to the point where they share Github’s “actions” code.

    Congrats! More hosting diversity is a good thing.

    • mesa@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      59
      ·
      3 days ago

      Yep I got one too. Works great and self hosted. I swear its actually faster than GH is nowadays.

      And I like that it doesn’t try to advertise and recommend a ton of repos to do you like GH does now.

      • DreamButt@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        29
        ·
        3 days ago

        GitHub has slowly become an advertising platform for repos more than anything. I miss what it was just a couple of years ago. It did exactly what you needed when you needed it. Now it’s just so bloated

    • Clearwater@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      edit-2
      3 days ago

      Forgejo Actions is definitely not a turnkey idential-to-GitHub solution, but it’s quite similar and for most not-super-complicated setups it’s basically the same (for better or worse, depending on if you like GH’s Actions).

      As far as I remember, everything that I need works out of the box, except for Docker. In fact, just about everything Docker is somewhat quirky in Forgejo Actions.

      1. One mildly annoying quirk of Forgejo is that as of current, the token generated for each Actions run is not quite the same as GitHub’s token. For my specific use case, if you want to upload a Docker Image to the package repository, you can not use the standard auto-generated token, which GitHub does allow you to use. Forgejo instead currently requires you generate your own app token and use that instead, as the auto-generated one lacks permissions over packages. (https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/issues/3571)

      2. Depending on your infrastructure, it might just be impossible to make the various Docker-related actions (such as https://code.forgejo.org/docker/build-push-action) work. As an example, my infrastructure outlined below is one such case where those actions simply do not work.

      Bare Metal (Debian 12) /
      ├─ Rootless Podman/
         ├─ Forgejo
         ├─ Forgejo Runner
         ├─ Podman-in-Podman (Inner Podman also Rootless)/
            ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here>
      
      * If you use rootful Docker with Docker-in-Docker, those actions will then work as expected. It is just that attempting to make them work with Rootless Podman (at least the version that ships with Debain 12) currently seems to be impossible.
      
      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        3 days ago
        1. that’s really too bad, I hope that gets resolved soon
        2. that’s a pretty old version of podman (4.3 looks like?); also, why have nested podman? My infra is something like this:
        Bare Metal
        ├─ Rootless Podman
           ├─ Forgejo
        ├─ Rootless Forgejo Runner (planning to run on another machine entirely)
           ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here>
        

        I doubt the extra level of nesting is the issue though. If your issue is networking, then maybe the version of podman is the issue, since they switched out the networking layer in 5.0. I upgraded for a related reason, though I’m still getting some odd issues (mostly w/ the DNS resolver).

        I haven’t gotten to cross-compiling just yet, nor have I needed to build a docker image since my projects are very much in the testing phase. But maybe I’ll give it a shot soon, since it’s better to catch these types of issues before it becomes a bigger problem.

        • Clearwater@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          2 days ago

          I agree that it is quite possibly related to the version of Podman moreso than an inherent issue. I am currently satisfied, however, and have no desire to fiddle with it any more… Or at least until Debian 13 gets released.

          My use of PinP is almost entirely for cleanliness. It allows me to more easily wipe the build environment (clear out space, troubleshooting). It also mildly improves security as the ‘untrusted’ actions containers run on a separate environment from the important Forgejo container.

          The workaround I use for the premade Docker actions not functioning is to simply install Podman as one of the build steps and use that instead, lol. (Some configuration required, but that’s the gist.)

    • Ernest@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      3 days ago

      I love that they have scoped labels while GitHub still doesn’t

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        3 days ago

        What’s wrong w/ actions? Is there something else you prefer?

        I think they’re quite powerful. There are a variety of triggers, runners are fairly easy to configure (easy to scale up), and the syntax is pretty straightforward. It seems to work pretty well.

        • neclimdul@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          9
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          3 days ago

          Every other ci in existence you just write a command. Then if it doesn’t work you run the command on your machine and fix it.

          Actions are “magic” which means you have to fake the ci runner with tools and reverse engineer the action to run local debugging and if it failed you might not even fully know what was running with digging into the actions source.

          GitHub provides you the tools and their “easy” until they aren’t.

          It’s very Microsoft though. It feels like trying to write a Windows app and trying to get your random Net environment definition to line everything up and compile in VS then hoping the same thing happens when you deploy.

          • trevor (he/they)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            7
            ·
            2 days ago

            You can just write bash scripts in your actions if you want them to be easily replicatable on your local machine, so you don’t really lose anything with that system.

        • theherk@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          3 days ago

          I prefer Gitlab CICD but there are many. Actions had a lot of potential. Then Microsoft bought GitHub and just slapped the Actions label on their CI. If you pull off the mask, it is just Azure devops.

          • neclimdul@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            2 days ago

            I do too. I kinda miss Jenkins but a lot of the conveniences in GitLab’s CI are really nice and it’s better for 99% of use cases.

    • f00f/eris@startrek.website
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      92
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      3 days ago

      Going by their Mastodon account, seems they were erroneously detected as “from a US-sanctioned region” and it took too long for said error to be resolved, so they just made the switch.

      • latsss@discuss.tchncs.de
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        24
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        3 days ago

        “US sanctioned region” is russia. The developer team fully consist of russian citizens, some of them are still in russia.

        • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          22
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          3 days ago

          The developer team fully consist of russian citizens

          I dont think thats correct. Do you have a source? The predecessor that it was forked from maps.me maybe, but the current dev team has nothing to do with that project anymore.

            • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              14
              arrow-down
              6
              ·
              edit-2
              3 days ago

              The only person on this list that lives in Russia is Alexey Naumenko. So what are you yappin about? So far i also cant see that name on the new member list https://git.omaps.dev/org/organicmaps/members

              mapsme: founded by Yury Melnichek, later joined by Alexander Borsuk and Viktor Govako

              organicmaps: founded by Roman Tsisyk (completely unrelated to mapsme) and later joined by Alexander Borsuk and Viktor Govako

              So the founders are not the same, but some devs from the old project joined organic maps.

              • latsss@discuss.tchncs.de
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                6
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                3 days ago

                Not really nice of you to edit the message after it was replied to.

                Changing your github profile location does not mean neither factual relocation, nor changing citizenship.

                yappin

                Just adding context, because thir wording makes everyone think like “out of the blue, by some stupid coincidence one of the developers possibly seemed to be somewhere around some misteruous sanctioned region”

                • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  8
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  3 days ago

                  Not really nice of you to edit the message after it was replied to.

                  I didnt…

                  My last edit was at: Saturday, March 29th, 2025 at 9:34:06 AM GMT+01:00

                  Your comment was posted at: Saturday, March 29th, 2025 at 9:45:53 AM GMT+01:00

                  Changing your github profile location does not mean neither factual relocation, nor changing citizenship.

                  Then where are you getting 6-7 from? Those people could be Polish or Ukrainian or born somewhere completely different. They could have moved, changed citizenship, whatever. I dont know. You dont know.

        • gruhuken@slrpnk.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          9
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          2 days ago

          Why aren’t russian people allowed to upload code. Why does the US get to dictate everything

          • latsss@discuss.tchncs.de
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            2 days ago

            Microsoft is a US based company. They cannot legally make business with sanctioned entities. And since it’s not profitable for them - they just made a geoblock geoblock

            Could MS ignore the sanctions in that case? probably

        • Safipok@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 days ago

          Aren’t they now based in Estonia since when the company was established?

          • latsss@discuss.tchncs.de
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            2 days ago

            They can be de jure in Estonia and de facto wherever they want.

            E.g OnlyOffice claim to be based in baltics too, but the development office is still in Nizhniy Novgorod(russia).

      • Steen @discuss.online
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        15
        ·
        3 days ago

        Shit. I live in Denmark. How do you download a whole github repository, commits, issues and all?

        • TJA!@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          14
          ·
          edit-2
          3 days ago

          You can make git clone and get all the code and commits. Issues are a GitHub feature and they cannot be downloaded by a simple git command

          • Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            2 days ago

            You can import it on an alternative like gitlab. The process of moving something from github to gitlab is just as smooth as if everything was contained in the repo itself.

            • morbidcactus@lemmy.ca
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              2 days ago

              Personally, recommend forgejo, gitlab has a lot of features I didn’t need and I found the upgrade process if you didn’t keep on top of it annoying. Forgejo actions are pretty similar to github ones and setting up runners is super straightforward.

        • daddy32@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          3 days ago

          Good question. Commits are easy - they are part of git core functionalities so are included in every copy of the repository (for example developers’ local copies) but github specific contents like comments, issues, PRs…?

          • vermaterc@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            3 days ago

            This should also be part of git repo (but maybe not downloaded through typical git clone as it might be too large though). Has developers of git ever considered doing this?

            • Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              5
              ·
              3 days ago

              The original developer of Git is Linus Torvalds and he wrote it for the use of developing Linux. He handed off the project to Junio Hamano after a short while who still leads it. They use a process where you submit patches by mail, for Linux and for Git itself too.

              To make this easier they have the commands git format-patch, git send-email and git applymbox later changed to git am to apply them. They also added git request-pull to generate a short plaintext email like message to request a pull.

              The Pull Request as a bigger concept of data and discussion that should be kept around came from GitHub and was put over top of Git. The concept has been rebuilt by various competitors separately. But it doesn’t match the Linux and Git development model so they never used GitHub Pull Request, even though there is a GitHub mirror of Linux and a GitHub mirror of Git. For them the discussions happens in the mailing list.

              So it’s very unlikely they would start including the stuff that was added by others over top, that they don’t need.

        • endofline@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          3 days ago

          No, it they didn’t change anything add new git remote to the new address