Bring it you orange fuck.
PP is talking about saying “Fuck You” to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And so it begins in Canada. Trump said exactly what he planned to do, and his followers were like, “I love this guy, he tells it like it is”. It is frightening that there are so many Canadians following this POS. 90,000,000 people didn’t vote in the US. Don’t be like them! VOTE VOTE VOTE 🇨🇦 ✊
Donald Trump is literally, yes, using the correct expression: literally – a homegrown criminal.
This is exactly why the 2nd amendment exists.
Those of you who have served in the military and swore an oath to protect us from domestic enemies, please seriously consider honoring your oath before the rest of us have to do it for you.
Wow, nothing like a shove forward as you step back right? I got news for you buddy, this isn’t the kind of thing just a few people can fix. The country actually elected him. We need to build a movement to fight this, to prevent the country from just electing the next one.
I bet when “ice” agents start meeting resistance in the form of 9mm and .45 it will make some changes.
Yes, Republicans will start personaly hunting down anyone darker than snow.
when ice is coming to get me, no amount of weaponry will save me, all I’ll do is take some nazis with me.
Absolutely true. They will also make shit up and deface your name anyways.
Even if you were found innocent and released, the entire world would believe the US government and the US government would call you MS-13 or pedophile
They wouldn’t correct that mistake. And you would be hard to even find a job, plus you would probably have cultists coming to kill you
That is if they’d still don’t just send you to the concentration camps and have you murdered like they have done so far
Group up with others of the same opinion and go hang at some brown people’s houses. Don’t wait. Force the issue.
We need a black panther revival asap
You need the people to come together. However that happens for you. Go eat with some folks you don’t know from minority communities. The internet tells me Americans eat out a lot. Go to ethnic restaurants. Meet their families. Offer to help them buy guns to defend themselves. Defend them yourself openly and without shame. Put your own comfort in jeopardy for someone you don’t know.
Yea, sure, instead of one extremist organization, let’s have two! Great idea! Lol
I want to be very clear here. If they take you, at A MINIMUM, they will beat you, torture you, SA you, and deny you civil rights and human rights. At worst, you die. You want all these slack jawed jackasses that won’t raise holy hell about the government already doing this to immigrants, you’re dead anyway. ‘‘ICE kills US citizen’’ is a much stronger headline than ‘‘Trump says he will do this to citizens’’ additionally when the ICE agents have to deal with the fact that ‘‘just following orders’’ includes a high chance of death, they might question the orders.
This is important to remember
Take down the Nazis with you because you have no choice or hope. You can’t reason with them
They will deface you and disappear you. They will say you work for MS-13, that you’re a child pedophile, they will craft and manufacture evidence and they will disappear you to the concentration camps. They’ve already done this, they’re just going to continue
They cover their faces and ID anyway, they should be blasted any place with stand your ground.
It won’t hold up
Fascists have full support of the government to send everyone to concentration camps with no due process
Stand your ground isn’t going to do shit. And every conservative will suck the government dick
The government will make shit up like that have. That will say you worked for MS13 like that have been
Or say you are a pedophile. Nobody will defend you even liberals. And then it is your word against their and truth doesn’t matter. They’ll proceed anyway and kill you
As others have said, if they take you to a second location, you could either die or end up in a gulag in another country, which is probably as good as being dead.
May as well fight to the death. Make them pay for it. If you don’t you could end up wishing you had another opportunity to.
Exactly this. The fear of torture to death would make me fight back when they bust in. This reminds me to start carrying and leaving easy access to the shotgun at home
Ever snuck around the house because you knew your significant other or kid couldnt possibly be home at that time, but your significant other had changed their plans and come home unscheduled? I’d sure feel safer with a shotgun in my hands in that situation, I’ll tell you what.
Melt the ICE
Honestly, not true? ICE is a bunch of fatass fascist sympathizers that get their rocks off abusing their authority. If they try to kidnap you, they are not going to expect you to be armed and dangerous. They are not going to be prepared for you to fight back.
You’ll have to flee immediately after, because they’ll send more agents when the first turn up dead, but it at least gives you a chance.
They are not going to be prepared for you to fight back.
I would be willing to bet that a significant portion of them spend their workdays at half-mast just hoping for someone to resist with a weapon so they can execute them. They may be more prepared than you think.
And some job satisfaction.
Everyone should strive for 2 so we make progress
Wasn’t the Electoral College also supposed to serve that purpose?
Not at all, it was a compromise between counting slaves as ‘population’ and not people, so the south wasn’t totally devoid of population numbers big enough to matter. Considering Jefferson and Washington were proud southern slave owners and set the standards for the country legally and traditionally, it’s hardly a surprise this is still being done when the whole point was treating people like cattle and also giving their humanity to their masters as political power.
You’re thinking of the 3/5ths compromise, which is a separate though related thing to the Electoral College.
The EC tended to favor non-plantation slavery states (only Maine and Massachusetts had zero slaves at the time, though several others were close to zero). Virginia was by far the biggest state by population, and it had tons of slaves. Without counting its slave population, it would still have been the largest. The Electoral College, at least at the time, favored small, relatively slave-free states like Rhode Island and Vermont. The 3/5ths compromise does give some extra power to the larger slave states in the EC by way of added population, but not proportionate to what small states get out of it.
Federalist 68 gives the official reasoning behind the EC:
Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office. No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States, can be of the numbers of the electors. Thus without corrupting the body of the people, the immediate agents in the election will at least enter upon the task free from any sinister bias. Their transient existence, and their detached situation, already taken notice of, afford a satisfactory prospect of their continuing so, to the conclusion of it. The business of corruption, when it is to embrace so considerable a number of men, requires time as well as means. Nor would it be found easy suddenly to embark them, dispersed as they would be over thirteen States, in any combinations founded upon motives, which though they could not properly be denominated corrupt, might yet be of a nature to mislead them from their duty.
Another and no less important desideratum was, that the Executive should be independent for his continuance in office on all but the people themselves. He might otherwise be tempted to sacrifice his duty to his complaisance for those whose favor was necessary to the duration of his official consequence. This advantage will also be secured, by making his re-election to depend on a special body of representatives, deputed by the society for the single purpose of making the important choice.
In other words, the EC existed precisely to stop someone like Donald Trump from taking office. Or more accurately, stopping a populist, corrupt nitwit was the reason it was justified to the American people at the time. Back then, they were trying to head off criticism of democracy from supporters of constitutional monarchy. That is, democracy would be vulnerable to takeover by a populist, corrupt nitwit.
Obviously, it has failed at its one job. That doesn’t mean democracy itself is vulnerable. On the contrary, the EC is a specifically anti-democratic concept that has been abused by exactly the sort of populist, corrupt nitwit it was supposed to guard against.
I would never ask someone else to risk their lives for me. I think we all need to figure out where our red line is - for me it would be a successful attempt to keep serving in a third term, or actually successfully deporting/imprisoning US citizens without due process. Merely trying or talking about it isn’t enough because if the constitutional process stops him, that means it’s still working.
non American here. the red line was January 6th. Don’t wait to see if more boxes are checked, every autocracy in history relied on people planning to resist when things ‘really’ got worse. By then it’s always too late. They’re planning accordingly.
Trump has learned that people will allow him to keep crossing over their “red line” and will draw an new red line. He’s been doing it for years. Now Americans are saying he can throw out the Constitution, so long as they aren’t yet personally impacted, but they will react at some future point when he gets even worse, maybe.
Maybe, just maybe, we should stop the known arsonist - who has declared they are going to burn all our houses down and is now gleefully walking to our neighborhood with a can of gasoline and a blow torch - before they get to the first house
Seems obvious when you think about it.
He is literally begging to be put down like a rabid animal
In Minecraft.
That new rabid animal mod, in Minecraft.
Buy a gun and if they come for you kill as many as possible
This is where our country is heading
I would go absolutely feral. Ripping their throats out with my teeth and snapping any small bone I can grab.
This goes for anyone being kidnapped in my general vicinity as well. If I see that shit, it turns out that that is a good day to die. I will do it with glee.
Watch me laugh with their blood running down my face.
Do it. Force the issue. Hang in the immigrant communities. Meet the people. Teach them what you would do, help them arm themselves and prepare. Then fight with everything you have. They’re not coming for you specifically just yet, but it’s only a matter of time.
This is the way, this is real shit. I too would go absolutely animal for my loved ones and myself, go berserk.
This is the correct approch. I can’t stress this enough, when it costs ICE their lives, and the headlines are “12 citizen killed by ICE” then people will stop sitting on their hands like this is nothing. Don’t let them put you in a ghetto, don’t let them put you in a labor camp or a death camp, CALL THEIR HAND EVERY TIME, If you let them take you, you’re dead anyway.
buy a gun
Yes you reading this. Even if you’re white.
Arm yourself.
Only if your white; blacks and browns will be gunned down even if they have a stick or nothing.
So why not have a gun??
If they’re gonna claim you have a gun and shoot you either way - you’d might as well have a gun.
And organize, they can and do pick out people who are alone, as they are cowards. If there are 10 of you walking, armed, they are less likely to fuck around
The first people that die in a war are typically women and children. Usually because the competing militaries don’t issue them guns.
Yup.
I am anti-gun and always have been and still believe a nation with more guns is going to have more death and generally be less safe.
But it is absolutely time to arm yourself.
Cops dragged my buddy out of his car and shot him for having his legally owned pistol. How in the fuck are we supposed to resist ICE with guns?
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Your friend was obeying the law, and trying to obey the law. When you aren’t trying to comply and you are fighting for you life, it’s a very different set of actions. No one’s waiting to get dragged out.
i agree with you but if you’re willing to die at that point, why wouldn’t you just take action now to stop that scenario from happening? if we wait till the wolf is at our door, we’ve given the wolf the advantage of initiative. you don’t win wars by waiting for the enemy to strike first.
Or by saying “when it happens to me or my family”. How fucking self centered. That’s what got you in this fucking mess.
yep. american individualism is a denial of the very basics of humanity: we are social creatures. we got to the top of the food chain through cooperation, not by being the most alpha of lone wolves.
The CIA has a wonderful piece of training that’s publicly available online called ‘‘simple sabotage’’ I’d highly recommend reading it. Also Revolutionary Suicide by Huey P. Newton. Totally unrelated, a lot of campers really like to use a home made fire starter that’s waterproof, there’s a lot of good recipes usually petrol products and shipping materials, very simple. also I’m in a Drone building club at school, it’s not related to this, but it’s a lot of fun.
ie, your fucked, but at least you can murder people on your way out
Right wing ideologies are based on fear, they’re all cowards deep down.
If enough of them die kicking in doors they’ll stop.
They have proven that if you comply at best, you will be denied rights, beaten, in a labor or death camp, and likely dead.
Well, thanks the Democrats for making it much harder to get a gun. But we “saved the kids” amirite?
How is it hard to get a gun in America? What the fuck??? lmaooo
“much harder to buy a gun.”
Buddy I won one at a fucking raffle no questions asked.
That’s not legal in any state.
I used to run gun raffles, and the way they actually worked is the organization doing the raffle would partner with an FFL, and what they actually won was a gift card redeemable for the exact value of the gun. That gift card would be used for the winner to purchase a firearm, including a NICS check.
If you find it hard to purchase a gun in the US then I have to marvel at the fact that you manage to successfully navigate a belt buckle. My state doesn’t even require concealed carry permits anymore. I can just go grab a gun, ammo, and walk around strapped with it hidden under my shirt.
It’s wild west out here dude where have you been?
California?
I think you have to wait for the sun to set and rise like half a dozen times before you can pew pew
Yes, a BG and a waiting period. That’s all. Also you’re always 2-4 hours from NV where you don’t have to wait and if you buy 3rd party in NV, your in Ghost Town, baby!
Pretty easy to get a gun unless you’re a felon.
Stop spreading misinformation.
We only need the guns because dumbfuck conservatives ushered in American fascism.
3rd pary sales don’t require any information exchange. Meet some one in Cabella’s looking at a new hunting rifle they want? Maybe they’ll sell you a gun at their place for the price of a new rifle. It’s the wild west man. If they cared there wouldn’t be a loop hole you can drive a dump trunk dragging 100 rusty bikes through.
There isn’t a single state in which the barrier to owning a gun is more difficult than a background check and a waiting period. I’d recommend a glock 9 for reliably and performance. Good luck, and good hunting.
New York
Getting a gun is as easy as going to fucking Walmart and having them order you something from the warehouse you have to pickup a week later.
Time to buy a gun. The left needs to arm themselves fuckin’ yesterday.
Don’t think that they won’t come for you. The law is powerless to protect you from having your rights trampled on under this administration. All it takes is for King Trump to declare you a gang member and they have carte blanche authority to disappear you off the street.
Was yesterday too late? I feel like one person having a gun hasn’t been able to do anything meaningful with it for a long time. Except maybe defend themselves from a dumb home invader.
The point is there are only so many ICE goons out there. If every person they tried to disappear took one of the bastards with them, this would end pretty damn quick.
They’re dressed in plain clothes. It wouldn’t be hard to get another civilian to join in defending yourself. Especially when the target is a white woman.
Maybe. Maybe not. The bystander effect is real. And they have something to lose. If I’m being disappeared off to a death camp somewhere, I literally have nothing to lose.
I’m really torn on this. As a trans person, I’m a member of one of the groups most targeted by the regime. I’ve wanted nothing to do with firearms in the past, because frankly, I’ve dealt with a lot of depression at times in my life. Never enough to have any attempts, but enough to really give me pause about owning a weapon. The only weapons I want to own are fantasy props I make in my wood shop. I’m the exact opposite of a violent person. I am an educator; my greatest joy in life is when I can see my lessons spark the light of knowledge in others. Truthfully, I want nothing to do with firearms.
But this environment really makes me wonder. I would honestly rather die than be shipped off to be raped to death in some hellhole in El Salvadore. I would not survive long in a place like that.
I am very conflicted on this. Fuck this world. These are the kinds of choices no one should ever have to make. The world has gone mad.
I feel every part of this. I just wanted to be an artist and make video games for people to enjoy. Now I’m screaming in terror watching every facade of normalcy be torn apart like paper mache. My two cents is that we need to get armed and fast. We’re beyond the point of “wanting” or “not wanting”. I’ve been spending the last several months desensitizing myself to violence and coming to terms with the idea that I do not have a future. I was not a violent person but I know I need to be.
This is not a world of reason, stability, rationale, future. This is a world that is run by the enemy. This is the time we need to assume the worst because the cost of under-estimating is too high.
He means the violent militia types… right?
I’ve been warning everyone, people won’t fucking hear it. Disgusting.
remember during george w bush when people were upset that they were training the national guard to arrest us citizens? they had actors yelling stuff like “im a us citizen! you can’t arrest me! this violates the constitution!” and stuff like that?
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that sure was scary….
i think it comes down to grief and denial… people are very unable to cope with the idea that this could ever be real.
“oh congress will stop him though, oh the supreme court wouldn’t let that happen… no way the military would go through with that… americans all have guns, they’d never do that”.
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also noteworthy that roger stone was caught talking about how they need a plan to take guns from all the leftists… by calling them enemies of the state….it’s sad but ignorant americans are victims too… id say victims of brainwashing as well.
people who denied it don’t need a “ha i told you so!”, they need a, “what what did you say you’d do if it ever DID happen… because we’re here now in spite of our best hopes and doubts”.The NG can be used as law enforcement by the Governors though. That’s a legitimate training for them to get …
well, i ought to dig up a source… but can’t stomach dig through news videos from w.
but the things the people were being trained to say was disturbing….
this was right around when people were saying the abundance of new FEMA camps was nefarious (i don’t know how many they really made).
and homeland security created a national shortage of bullets for years, and some people found that to be ominous….
actually, homeland security being used to enforce unlawful orders by doge is kinda ominous to me, considering the bullet thing…
but yes, there’s a likelihood of NG being legitimately used to break up a violent protest or something…
in the unfindable video clip i saw, sounded more like rounding random people up, training… but people are bound to yell mind fuck shit at NG no matter what reason they’re getting detained for…
I really wonder how all the protest voters feel about all of this. Not what they’d say they feel, because we’ve all seen their smug and entitled responses- no, what I want to know is; how they actually and honestly feel about all of this.
Because even though I voted, I’ve seriously thought about it. I’ve tried to put myself in the shoes of someone who has EVERY reason to ask themselves if all of this was worth the entitlement-driven single-issue excuse to avoid doing the bare minimum it would have taken to hold on to the last shred of our democracy- to avoid having to have participated in what might have been America’s last election.
Yeah. I’m fucking angry.
And I’m not yet ready to forgive the assholes that helped make this happen. And part of the reason is that while I’ve seen post after post and meme after meme of even the conservatives questioning their reasoning in voting for that corrupt little felonious mouth-breathing gremlin, I haven’t see even ONE of these third party/non-voters so much as make a peep in the general vicinity of remorse.
If they want to talk about rallying behind a cause- as we see them doing here so many times, they should first start by fessing up and own their shit, because in an adult world, anyone that can admit their mistakes proves they have the honesty, maturity, and humility it takes to deserve trust.
Otherwise- I see no reason to trust them any further than I would a conservative.
You need to ask the same question to your politicians, not voters. If its such a big issue why didnt the democratic party stand for anything? Winning was absolutely on the table, your establish dems didnt want to win either. Thats the problem.
Your dems didnt “help” make this happen, they made it happen arm in arm with right wing extremists. You think just because they call themselves democrats they arent right wing or fascist? America is so far right wing and filled with propaganda the populace cant make sense of it and still think they have a proper opposition party - you dont.
You wanted more people to vote? Just as many would have voted for Trump as well, wow good job.
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So. Your answer is to whine about my comment and offer nothing but ad hominem?
You could have easily just kept scrolling, or even just blocked me…
but wait!
Was there something I’ve said or something I’m doing that bothered you enough to want to complain about it? Do you feel better for having vented your anger and frustrations into words?
Imagine that!
(Oh, and for the record- EVERYONE posts their personal “butthurt” feelings about shit in pretty much every single post on lemmy- even you, genius. Or are you forgetting that modlogs are public?)
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So you’re complaining about my pointing out the fact that someone is complaining about my complaint?
I wonder… how many layers can this have?
No I’m not complaining I’m Stating a fact. If you’re gonna be like this why don’t you just stay on Reddit?
So my stating a fact is complaining, but your complaining is staring a fact?
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96And as I remember, Reddit was full of people that complained a lot about people complaining….
A LOT.
Oh no! Someone who engages instead of downvoting! Imagine that! I must put more emotion into it without addressing anything the person said!! lol I’ve already seen where this is going which is why I figured I would save anyone else the trouble and reply to your constant whining before someone else got sucked in. Thank you for making it clear why you’re doing all this though, you have no other way to express yourself or move on. Good luck with all that, if I run into you in the future I’ll make sure to stick with one reply and watch ya fizzle out. Maybe this all might help you in the long run.
Wait… you want an award because through all your nonsense blathering and personal attacks that weren’t even relevant to any point- you didn’t downvote me?
Well why didn’t you say so, my guy?
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There ya go!
(In fairness, I did’’t notice the .ml, otherwise I’d have given you your little gold star right out of the gate to avoid this disaster of a discussion)
lol defaulting to an instance attack, you’re such a parody.
Anyone can see from our last conversation that even when replying in good faith you just refuse to engage, there is no point in trying to bring any sort of real conversation with you.
Anyone can also see from your modlog, you’ve been crying about voters for months and are still continuing to do so.
idk wtf the award pivot was trying to do or what you’re even trying to say lol. Again, I’m glad I could engage with you so someone else doesn’t have to and possibly thinking you might actually be a real person to have a conversation with. The only reason I’ve gone this far is so people can actually see the links and how you respond. Blocking doesn’t help if it just means someone else has to put up with you instead.
And I stand by my every argument against cutting these clowns slack because they have finally decided that now is the time to stand up against Trump.
They should lie in the bed they fucking made right alongside the rest of us. They don’t get to just blend in with everyone that actually tried to stop this. They need to own it and apologize. And they need to be reminded EVERY FUCKING TIME THIS ADMINISTRATION DOES SHIT LIKE THIS THAT IT IS PARTIALLY THEIR FAULT.
Because if we EVER have another election and we EVER find ourselves here again, they need to know what damage that comes from smug entitlement.
And lastly- I don’t really give a shit that you are upset by this anymore than I’d expect you to give a shit that I’m pissed off about a bunch of childish entitled kids that haven’t a clue about how anything works enough to get off their asses and vote.
Don’t like it? Block me.
But all you’re doing is complaining about complaining. So…. Maybe have a seat in this boat of mine.
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lol you must really not talk to anyone outside of the internet if you think anything you said sounds remotely sane or like you aren’t an entitled child trying to sound smug.
They need to be removed
whatcha mean by that bud? I think you’re getting confused with all your edits.
if things get any shittier, this administration is going to have to stop people at the border in the opposite direction
Already looked at emigration. I’m sure doctors and scientists and researchers are leaving in droves, but for the average person it’s quite difficult until there is some amnesty policy.
We’ll be the new East Germany.
I wonder how long before states start considering secession again.
The sooner Blue States leave the Conservative Centipede, the better. I don’t view conservatives to be fellow Americans anymore.
Same.
If you vote for a felon rapist traitor who sent a mob to stop the peaceful transfer of power, illegally attempted to overturn an election, already had a failed presidency, and is now enacting a fascist agenda that’s deporting American citizens to foreign prisons, I do not consider you an American anymore. You are an enemy of everything it is to be American. Primarily and functionally, the Constitution.
Too many lines have been crossed. It’s time to start calling conservative voters what they are. Enemies. Because this far into this, there are no more excuses. Ignorance is not an excuse anymore.
Maybe 4 years of this insanity is the wakeup people need
As someone who’s been around long enough I can tell you it absolutely won’t be for conservatives. They never learn. Ever.
The most you can possibly get out of them is some light verbal disapproval of someone on their team, typically if it involves their wallets taking a hit. But when the time comes, they will ALWAYS vote to keep their team in power, no matter how vile and/or criminal they are.
We already had 4 years of Trump. It sucked that time and it wasn’t enough to convince nearly half of Americans
Yup.
Teams are more important than America now.
I wonder how shitty this administration will have to get before enough people get motivated to take some significant action to stop it?
Could start with you; Could start with me.
I wonder what kind of payoff Bukele is getting from Trump to keep someone that Bukele admits was wrongly sent to El Salvador but he refuses to return him.
Unfortunately, the dudes probably dead already. Happened to that American student years ago in South Korea too. He was on a trip and got sentenced to a slave camp for “defacing a poster” if I recall, and as the family was fighting for his release, oops he’s in a body bag now. At least they sent his body back for the family.
Assuming you mean North Korea, and yeah, probably dead.
They refuse to bring Garcia back because hes dead. CECOT is an extermination camp. Complete with giant pool of blood. It’s a prison that never fills up.
We are no longer in some hypothetical what if state in regards to fascism. The President is sending people to death camps and as conservative as this SCOTUS is it ruled 9 to 0 ordering Trump to return Garcia. They refused to do so.
Buy a gun.
they dont want him back, because it satiates the rabid racists/and evangelicals, its perfomative politics.
If he came back he’s gonna hurt Chump real bad with appearances on every news network (but Fox) and talk show detailing.his experience.
My Great Grandmother shot and killed an officer that was taking her family away to a concentration camp. Is that where we’re heading?
Headed? No. We’re there. If men in masks are telling you they’re police and trying to stuff you in a van, that’s it. You get cuffed. You’re dead. Buy a gun while you can. Make your life cost a life preferably more. Don’t let them put you in a camp or ghetto. Not a bad idea to go to a large gun shop in a state with next to no gun laws, find a person window shopping guns, strike up a conversation, and see if you can arrainge a third party sell. Then they don’t know to be weary of you.
We’re there. Be ready to fight when they come.
It’s a pretty good likelihood that stuff like that is in our future.
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That’s where you are I think.
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Heading? The early stages of the Holocaust we’re precisely that.
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“If there was hope, it must lie in the proles”
