Considering to buy one for a family member.
I switched to vape, not necessarily to drop nicotine, but so i could smoke in company vehicles. I haven’t stopped vaping for a few years now.
I’m in no way saying the habit is healthy or nice, but there’s still a net positive to switching even if you don’t end up stopping.
It’s cheaper overall. A little over a pack a day is basically $10/day. I probably spend $60 on juice and $10 for coils in a month, and that’s a high estimate. One coil can last a few months sometimes, other times they’re duds. The initial cost is what can look expensive. $100 for a good rig, but it can last years if you get the right one. (I save money by using a rig that takes 18650 batteries and scavenge them from dead electronics - they’re everywhere, power tool batteries, hoverboards, etc. Otherwise it’s an extra $10 every 6 months)
It also doesn’t dry me out like cigarettes. Cigarettes used to cause my sinuses to bleed in the morning and just clog my sinuses through the day. Vape keeps me a little more hydrated it feels like, like even the cough is more fluid and comes right up. No more dry coughing at all.
Don’t even get me started with the smell.
It’s worth mentioning too, there’s a difference between the nic salts and the juice. The salts are where you can experience OD and even seizures.
Took me years, but yes.
This was back in the day when you could easily source stuff to mix your own juice though. I was vaping 3ml and I stepped down 0.5ml every month until I was vaping just flavor. At that point I’d carry my vape around but use it WAY less. Eventually I’d get sick of bringing it with me and just stopped using it.
Then I’d cave again, and restart the process.
Took me a few years, but my vapes are gone and I only smoke when I’m shithoused and around a bunch of smokers, which is a maybe once every couple years event now?
I’m not sure how it would work these days. Everything is packaged, can you even mix your own nic content? Fucking big tobacco fucked up the market.
Even just switching to vaping full time is better than smoking, so get your family member one and hope for the best.
The TL;DR on this one is “if someone wants to quit being addicted to nicotine a vape is a decent way to stop.” If they don’t want to, they’ll just switch to the vape instead of smoking.
So they have to want to quit in order to get any benefit.
I have quit smoking after switching to vaping. To be more specific I’m a cannabis ex-smoker who switched to dry herb vaping where you heat raw flower or concentrates up until the cannabinoid oils vaporize but not so hot that things combust into flame. Before I switched I was having issues with coughing up black tar mucus flem and some wheeze in the lungs. No more of those problems, and I can actually taste the terps and subtle flavors now.
My spouse and I both did.
I was a pack per day smoker for 15-20 years. Switched to vaping as it was becoming so popular. Stepped down the nicotine over the course of a few years until I finally just got tired of going and buying 1mg juice and stopped. Haven’t had a vape in about 2 years and a cigarette in about about 5.
I still get a craving now and then but it passes. Cigarettes usually just smell like a disgusting ashtray and I’m glad I don’t smoke anymore.
edit: we both actively wanted to quit and I’m so happy it worked for us
My friend started smoking after quiting because he started vaping… So there’s always that.
20 years smoking 10 to 15 cigarettes a day, switched to vaping for 4 years, then quit completely as I was fed up with the logistics of vaping.
My last cigarette was 9 years ago and I don’t miss it at all. I consider vaping was the biggest reason I quit, seconded with the avoidance of social situations where smoking is common.
Yes! I smoked for over 20 years. I didn’t think I’d ever be able to quit. I started vaping with the goal of quitting, and eventually quit! Then I quit vaping too, about six months later. It’s an excellent cessation method, with almost a 70% success rate. The next closest cessation method has a success rate of 3% and is owned by the tobacco companies.
Get a device that hits like a cigarette. This means mouth to lung, and not a big DTL cloud machine. It also ideally means a round mouthpiece. Make sure it’s good enough to give throat hit, but not so good that it produces massive clouds. Ideally you want a device that is not sub-ohm. Start with 18mg tobacco flavored juice. Then just vape. Sometimes you’ll smoke cigarettes, and sometimes you’ll vape. Don’t beat yourself up when you smoke, but try to vape more than you smoke. Before you know it, you’ll be reaching for the vape more than the cigarettes, until you don’t reach for cigarettes at all. Then you’re free!
Once you’re free, wait a month and then cut the juice down to 12mg, then 6, then 3, then a mix of 0 and 3, then 0! After a couple weeks of 0 you’ll just naturally quit, no discipline required.
Share this information with the person you know, and tell them that if I could do it, anyone can do it!
Edit: for such a device I recommend the Geekvape B coil series, in higher ohm ranges.
I quit smoking using a vape and then quit vaping.
I found that it was easier to quit smoking using a vape because I kept the same motion. I needed a powerful one to feel a similar hit.
And I found it easier to stop vaping than to stop smoking because I could mix liquids to have any desired nicotine content, allowing me to reduce it very gradually. A lot of people simply replace smoking with vaping but that’s still an improvement.
A lot of people simply replace smoking with vaping but that’s still an improvement.
Why/how is it an improvement? They are just moving from one way to consume it to another.
Because different ways to consume have different health hazards.
I know… and it’s not exactly an improvement.
When they are not planning to quit (which was the point I was addressing), it doesn’t seem like an actual improvement.It is, smoking is worse for your health.
How is that guy trying to actually argue that vaping is as harmful as smoking? What an insane thing to say.
Compeling argument right there
Well the argument is the video you linked, I don’t have time to rewatch it but you can look in the sources:
https://sites.google.com/view/sources-vaping/
Myth 1: Vaping is just as harmful as smoking
Fact: Nicotine vaping is not risk-free, but it is substantially less harmful than smoking.
I suggest you watch the material you link in the future and I’ll point out that no one is arguing that vaping is safe, only less bad.
No, you people keep saying it’s better and an improvement, the video says that it is less bad as we know right now, but also adds that there hasn’t been enough studies to declare it as a fact or a standard to keep a minimum safety with all the chemicals used in them (like the filters on the cigarettes, they were added for a reason… And even with them cigarettes are terrible)
So I’m still waiting for a reason that addict A switching from smoking to vapes makes it better, since addict A don’t plan on quitting. On the short-term it might be better, but mid-term or long-term what is going on with the new toxins he will inhale?
Smoking introduces a lot more chemicals than just nicotine. A lot of health hazards associated with smoking are from the smoke itself, not the nicotine. Vaping allows you to remove the smoke part of the equation. (Vaping also introduces a bunch of hazards on its own, but it’s still overall better than smoking)
Vaping also introduces chemicals of their own and honestly calling them vapes is also wrong because what you inhale might not be smoke but it is not steam/vapor since it might or might not use clean or infused water to make steam.
When it comes to quitting, then yes, I could agree vaping is better and seems to actually help people quit, but when we are talking about people who are just switching but don’t plan on quitting (which was the point I was addressing) I fail to see how going from toxic product A to toxic product B counts as an improvement, specially at this point when there’s not enough studies or a standard to keep them as safe as possible.
While it may not stop the nicotine addiction. It beats the tar and crap actual cigarettes…
Agreed. Although I struggle with vaping nicotine WAY too much and I feel like it has caused me some issues.
Still, way better than real cigs as far as my lungs are concerned - but the ease of being able to vape and constantly get a nicotine fix has been the real issue for me. Currently reading Alan Carr’s the Easy Way to get this monkey off my back once and for all.
Absolutely, there is no mistaking vaping is bad for you. But there are levels of bad.
Additionally, there has not been enough legit science data to indicate how bad it is.
The biggest risk we see (outside the risks that are the same as those from cigarettes but less severe) is circulatory health risks (vessel function). Sure, you have increased risk of respiratory disease, but not nearly as bad as cigarettes. The real benefit is that most vaporizers and eliquids are not carcinogenic (directly cancer causing) the way cigarette smoking is, so you can lose the added chance of getting cancer while titrating nicotine dosage down to nothing over a longer period; one of the main failure points of nicotine gums and patches is that they aren’t effective methods for pack-a-day smokers, the usual suggested regimens have them in withdrawal headaches and brain fog quickly and many smokers quit quitting on week one or two.
We have dozens of ten year studies with HUGE N already. Read them. Check out the REPRIEVE trial data. If you seriously think every single one of the currently available studies and trial results are not “legit science data” you’re insane.
Uh huh.
Willful ignorance is the most disappointing feature of humanity
Not ignorant to utter bullshit to support any vape use. I’m sure you’re a schill for one of those products.
Yes, I know someone who did, but they ODed on the nicotine cartridges via vaping and not reading the dosages carefully. They quit entirely after that.
Yes. I switched to vaping after smoking a pack a day for ten years. Then in about a year I was able to winnow my usage down and quit vaping too.
I had tried many times to quit before that. Have not smoked in 13 years now and after about 8 years I stopped liking the smell.
Crazy hearing vaping helped you stop 13 years ago. My brain tells me they only came out 2 years ago…
Naw there were vapes when i went to high school in the mid to late 2000s.
Vaping blew up around 2010 and gradually increased in popularity until all of the Juul controversies happened. Since all of the laws passed to restrict it more, it is now easier to get a non-reusable piece of ewaste than reusable and refillable stuff.
Yup.
An older friend who smoke and drank a ton switched to vapes, and methodically lowered the nicotine content every two-there weeks for months, then stopper nicotine and vaped the flavours but as there was no more nicotine, the habit wasn’t addicting and he just forgot about it more or less.
Now he’s been alone free for years, and reduced his drinking as well. Looks fucking healthy now.
I did, not sure it made it easier though. It took away two negatives for smoking for me, it didn’t smell bad to others and I could smoke inside.
If anything it made it harder to quit, but they’re supposedly much better for you
Regardless of the health benefits for you personally, they’re much better and less unpleasant for those around you.
I’m not sure that vaping inside is better than smoking outside. You’re right about it being more pleasant and likely right about it being healthier, do you know of any research comparing second hand smoke on clothes to second hand vape (comparing smoking outside to vaping inside)
I think you have to want to quit smoking for it to work like that. I’ve found that because vaping is more accessible than smoking, someone’s vaping consumption can be far higher than what they were smoking. It can be quite easy to sort of absent mindedly vape in a way that’s harder to do when smoking.
But I do know people who have used vaping in this way. Someone I knew had tried to quit smoking before but they couldn’t go from one cigarette per day (and they needed to quit fully, or their smoking would inevitably increase during times of stress). When smoking, I guess you could roll a smaller cigarette, but this friend tried that and it didn’t work. Vaping allowed them to finally kick the habit for good because their vape allowed them to taper down the nicotine content per puff of the vape
